cant wait for elder scrolls 6 to come out and have people mad because its based in hammerfell 😂
It sucks that Yasuke is still experiencing racism 400 years after his death. I’m sure he wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest.
If the bigots are hating Assassin’s Creed and it makes news, then that means it’s officially good. If it was bad, thr bigots don’t make news since they get drowned out by everyone else saying it’s bad. It’s my new metric for whether or not something is worth watching/playing.
I, unironically, use this as a way of finding movies, TV shows and games that I might like.
If you go on RottenTomatoes and look at the critic score vs. the user score, you can really tell a lot.
For example, if a movie has a very low critic score, and a suspiciously high user score, it’s most certainly religious drivel created to push a narrative. If you click on the reviews, it will confirm it. Every time.
Conversely, if a movie or show has a very high critic score, and a suspiciously low user score, it’s going to be because of conservative snowflakes getting triggered. Again, reading the user reviews confirms it every time.
In the case of the latter, it almost always means I will enjoy the content. So I will seek out movies and shows that have that discrepancy.
so… thoughts on the last jedi?
Well, it depends on how recently the content has been released. If it’s recent, you can’t use user ratings because it could be review bombed. But if some time has already passed, user reviews with time even out and settle on their true score. For me, user scores are always the most accurate.
If there’s anything I’ve learned in social media over the past few years is that every wrongdoing can be blamed by the opposing political party. It’s just so simple.
Wow fighting cowboy is like the only streamer i watch. Imma have to go look this up
If those Internet duds that get mad about black people in video games spent like half that energy being mad about, like, wage theft, we’d be so much better off.
The culture war is made up to distract from the class war
Therein lies the point of MAGA efforts. If you keep your base punching the left then they won’t remember they’re working class, not really being crushed by the left, and may start to punch up.
They’re already too scared to do in person town halls. Even so, this steered rage is intentional.
You’re not displaced by corporate, but by immigrants, DEI, and non-traditional women.
Don’t forget the church in your metaphor. That way, the punches that keep those MAGATs spitting leftwise are reich crosses.
Maga efforts assisted by Democratic leaders that also focus on everything else but class issues as well.
Depends. That’s the issue though. DEMs is a giant bag of angry cats fighting amongst themselves, gatekeeping one another, and more or less telling one another how they should be while saying it’s all inclusive.
The infighting is real. I’ll give the repubs credit for unity, they’re strangely good at it, just look at Tesla. Ten years of hating Tesla and hazing Tesla drivers. Now, the same people are driving cars into protesters for daring to smear the company. That’s unity. Blind unity. But unity.
We can’t do anything even remotely close to that in party.
I’ve been watching him for a while now for his Souls-like playlists. He doesn’t really like playing Assassin’s Creed type games but he’ll do it out of popularity. Funny that this is the game he’s going viral for.
soon as you said soulslike I knew it would be cowboy before I clicked the article lol.
Cowboy is the GOAT. He is pretty much the only streamer I watch occasionally. He even had an overall positive opinion on Veilguard and it matches my experience fairly well.
Yeah he’s one of the few that’s around my age and doesn’t cater to a younger audience.
Game is fine so far.
People get all in their feelings over a game. A story. Would they get this worked up over a book? These people have to bitch about something to feel alive.
I feel alive taking in a game how it was written and designed to be played. I don’t worry about cultural norms or other petty bullshit. Enjoy the gameplay, the world design and a new experience.
Now, give me a Black Flag sequel with a female lead, a revamped ship combat and more pirate comedy. Top it off with some lesbien romance and outfits. Just to piss off the Republican snowflakes.
Also, the only thing that comes from including more people of color, LGBTQ+ people, etc., in media is more variety in characters and possible story lines. How is that ever a bad thing?
it’s bad if you’re a bigot and have been raised to hate and feel disgust when your beliefs are challenged
Ship Blackbeard and Captain Morgan. That would truly piss them off. A lesbian romance only brings performative anger because they’re hoping for porn.
Sounds like you’re talking about AC: Odyssey 😄
I did live that fantasy through Kassandra and Odyssey, but it wasn’t the Caribbean baby!
What’s wrong with the Aegean?
God, I hated that game. I miss my classic Assassin’s Creed.
AC died with Desmond
I still quite liked Black Flag and Unity (although far from perfect, especially at launch) and even Origins was pretty good. But Ubisoft Quebec just managed to poop on AC lore multiple times, most egregiously with odyssey.
AC was mechanically enjoyable, if overly long and repetitive. But the story was lacking to the point that I don’t even remember what the fuck the game was about in the first place. that’s what you get for making games bigger and longer. it just becomes a
so much so that at first I thought “shame about the story because it had a really strong start with that twist” but I realized was misremembering AC3’s plot twist. so there’s literally nothing that I remember about AC4’s story except for the abysmal modern day parts which proved to me that they stopped giving a shit about the story and caused me to never check out an AC game again.
I feel like a huge portion of corporate America has adopted the following strategy:
- Half ass a product despite a comically large budget, resulting in a product that ranges in quality from mediocre to downright terrible
- Stick some culture war shit somewhere in the product
- Expect reviewers to give you overwhelmingly positive reviews based off political virtue signaling
- Put a magnifying glass on the vocal minority of genuinely toxic fans, so that you can claim everyone who doesn’t like the mediocre product is toxic
- bullshit about sales numbers
- Obfuscate individual success/failures on earnings reports, and blame overall underperformance on “macroeconomic conditions”
Like at this point it’s on me for engaging with these posts I guess.
Stick some culture war shit somewhere in the product
you mean minorities?
Tbf any women or minorities in a game seem to be a trigger and somehow overtly political for the reactionary right wing snowflakes anymore.
Look if you can’t tell the difference between actually well designed games with a diverse cast and Ubisoft crap number 12 then that’s on you.
who said anything about any other thing in the games or their origin? All I meantioned was your idea that having minorities involved in anything was “culture war”
Okay so explain to me why things like Spiderverse and Baldur’s Gate receive nearly ubiquitous acclaim in ways Snow White and Assassins Creed doesn’t.
It couldn’t possibly be that making video games at that level is immensely complex and that normal people don’t care about your “culture war”.
Nope. Never. It’s all a giant scam just to make racists angry.
It’s a giant scam to get people to defend low effort mediocre content.
It worked for a while, because there was 100 percent a subset of people who just bought games because of social media hype. The combination of the changing media landscape and economic environment has resulted in this falling apart.
Bad take. You started from the assumption that normal people care about this shit. They categorically do not.
Watch cowboys video that /u/[email protected] posted in this thread. He explains far better than i can that if there’s a grift, it’s from the people who make money manufacturing outrage.
PS i never knew cowboy was fucking jacked holy shit lol
Just about everyone wants to see themselves in the main player character of an RPG. It’s one reason character creators exist. Why we can choose between male and female Shepard and then toggle their appearances. But why is it white men yell the loudest when they don’t see themselves in a fixed main character?
It’s a valid question. Sure there was an ask for female assassin play, but it wasn’t anything like this crude, angry, and off the rails epidemic we see far too often. Why is this population so loud and rage filled?
I happily play Witcher, and enjoy Geralt for who he is, including those tired sighs and the long hair that blows in a wind that’s not there. Geralt looks like he’s been torn off the cover of an old bodice ripper novel, which is a bit of an eye roll but adds to the humor. Even so. As a woman I had no problems with it or the game. I’ve played W3 through twice.
Enter Ciri as the main for the next game. Suddenly there’s a huge problem even though she’s the logical next Witcher. I’d like to know how she plays as a character outside the premade with gimped UI. The preview to 4 was nicely nuanced as well, a lot of detail packed into that clip apart from just simple spooky monster fighting. She clearly has a chip on her shoulder about life choices, and fair enough given her history.
Again, no raging outcry regarding Geralt or the way he looked for 3 installments. Now there’s outcry.
I’m not Japanese or Black and yet I’ll happily play this latest AC (but only after its old and goes on sale).
I do recall some people being upset that they basically “yassified” Geralt from the witcher 2 and onwards. According to the books he’s supposed to look “weird” or something like that. Like, not repulsive but definitely not sexy, with slightly “unnatural” proportions and beast-like traits, etc. Which I think they nailed in the first game, through the low definition textures and models probably help a lot with the uncanniness.
I find that people crying about non-white male and/or non-bimbo female MCs are outrage tourists pushing their stupid gamergate agenda 99% of the time. At this point I don’t know why we are even acknowledging them anymore.
I always wanted to see anything else. I’m a human male every day. Give me a female and/or an alien or some other strange thing. Let’s be different!
I never understand this need for people to mimic themselves.
That’s how I see it too. It’s fun experiencing different things.
Same, non-cis white guy but I usually pick the not-me main character when given a choice. In Pokemon I’m a chick, in Stardew valley I’m a black chick, in Orcs Must Die 2 I’m the sorceress.
What kind of egotistical fuck chooses the “me” character every time
I play men characters a lot of the time because the boobs armor trend annoys me. I always try to make them look very distinct from me irl though. I really like this new trend of making all armors gender neutral (e.g BG3 and especially MH wilds, since the series had a long standing tradition of making some of the female armors really… Let’s say “not realistically functional as an armor”. In the new one they still have these versions but you are free to choose any of the 2 looks regardless of your character’s gender).
I typically play female characters in games too. Always have. They’re something outside my world experience, I can experience the story through a lense I may not have seen otherwise.
It’s nice to see yourself represented but like… Shiiiiiiit dude. I’m reading a book or playing a game to be immersed in the story. Why people put so much stock into who or what a character is; it’s beyond me.
I just want some good stories with good characters. I can’t fucking wait to kick ass as Cirilla in the Witcher. I loved being Girlboss V in Cyberpunk, Senua was stellar.
Open world RPG? Bet your ass I wanna be goth mommy in plate armour ripping out a dragon’s throat.
Also sometimes games had smaller hitboxes for women and little me fucked with that more than anything.
White, cis, and male has been the default for hundreds of years. When a piece of media presents an alternative, some white cis males consider it an attack on their very being. They see faces that are not their own and think that this ‘correction’ of centuries of oppression means that the media is saying that being white or male is inherently wrong.
It’s narrow-minded and selfish, but in a way that’s akin to a toddler who has never had to share their toys before. Hopefully they will eventually grow up and understand that the world does not revolve around them. They’ve just never had to experience that fact before.
I’m not a samurai or a ninja and it would be fairly weird to see a white man in Japan at that time especially in those roles. I don’t need to see myself.
Also have these people never read a book where they aren’t represented by the main character? ( pre-edit: true, they probably don’t/can’t read)
this is beside your point but nioh 1 had a white samurai based on a historical figure. i bet the chuds werent upset about that when it came out.
Thankfully this isn’t ubiquitous, at least in my experience. The Hades franchise has its second game in beta (is it still in beta? I haven’t checked in in a few months) with a female lead and I haven’t noticed a peep about that. Hopefully that’s not just the communities I’m part of and it’s actually been received as well as I’ve perceived
Basically “not all gamers” but not in an asshole way haha
There’s no such thing as always or never when it comes to people, except death.
This dude is so fucking based
And his followup video is great too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yentXt8qVvs
Damn that was excellent, great points from Cowboy.
Perfectly sums up this whole, sad phenomenon of people getting angry about nothing.
He absolutely is.
How many people raging about this probably played the shit outta San Andreas. Oohhhhhh but that’s okay cause it fits their stereotype?
My first guess: racist losers are mad that POC exist and are represented in video games.
…Yep. I was right, sadly.
What makes it even more dumb is the guy they’re mad about existed in real life. Weird as fuck to care about something like that
I may be misremembering but I’m pretty sure the same character appears in Nioh or Nioh 2. A Japanese game made by Japanese developers. A cameo, but a representation of an historic figure and not some random person plucked out of historical obscurity.
I probably won’t play the game because I’ve never really been a fan of the Assasin’s Creed style but imagine getting your knickers in a twist over something that no one is forcing you to play. There are a bajillion other games. So weird.
Dude I loved Nioh and I love the story of Yasuke, so when I encountered him in the game I was psyched. It’s like, as a white American, if I’m writing a story about cowboys, and I find out that there was a Japanese guy that was a famous cowboy right at the time my story is set, and also clearly not talked about enough… hell yeah I’m putting that guy in there! Why should I be upset that he doesn’t look like me when that makes it so much more fascinating? That’s fucking awesome! People breaking the mold and shattering our expectations is cool, and always has been. If I’m a writer with a big fanbase and I have the opportunity to shine a light on something clearly awesome that most people don’t know about then hell yeah I want to make people know about it. These fucking people… not only are they racist and they’ve also lost their sense of wonder, their imagination, their sense of joy for a strange and unexpected world that we live in. What a miserable fucking way to live.
FC has some valid points. If I was a streamer of his level, it would get old as well. Imagine streaming a game. Having a good time, doing your thing. And then a bunch of people come into the stream. Voluntarily come into the stream. No one made them join his stream. And then stay there to complain about the game. Or the stream. Or one persons opinions. Like this random person, decided that they are going to go out of their way to complain about something they don’t like. And just bitch and complain about something they voluntarily decided to partake in. People need to find new hobbies and better ways to spend their time.
i dont get why you go out of your way not to mention the complaints were racist in nature. its not about some people complaining they dont like ac because its a mediocre franchise when it comes to gameplay or smth like that.
Thought it was implied in the article. But my bad. The comments he lost his shit over where people being being super racist cunts.
That is a pretty glaring omission fr
I mean at the end of the day if you don’t want people to come at you with their shit takes you shouldn’t put your stuff out for the public to see. That is also a choice.
I completely agree with the streamer that these people are ridiculous and being racist. Make no mistake. But to your point: when you choose to use a megaphone people are allowed to yell back or otherwise react to what you use it for. If you don’t want that to happen, don’t use the megaphone. I think about this a lot when I see people get mad on comment threads that somebody “butted in” on a conversation.
The streamer wasn’t “using a megaphone” - these losers weren’t yelling back at a guy on the street , they were *going out of their way" looking for people playing the game so they could join and bitch about the existence of black people.
The act of streaming means you’re using a megaphone. You’re deliberately and intentionally inviting the public.
That does not at all absolve these bigoted chucklefucks. They did not deserve the harassment.
Both of these can be true.
More like the show he was playing had free entry and these guys came to the bar specifically to complain that they don’t like his music.
People do that all the time and it’s shitty I agree
The act of streaming means you’re using a megaphone. You’re deliberately and intentionally inviting the public.
“Using a megaphone” implies he was trying to push an agenda. Being a public figure/entertainer is not well described by the phrase “using a megaphone.”
He’s deliberately and intentionally inviting the public, yes… to be fucking entertained while he streams a video game. He’s not trying to teach them anything, or convince them of anything, or push an agenda.
He had people come into his stream and start talking racist shit and he shut it down. In no way does he have to put up with it just because he is a public figure.
I mean at the end of the day if you don’t want people to come at you with their shit takes you shouldn’t put your stuff out for the public to see. That is also a choice.
Do you even fucking hear yourself? Saying that being a public figure means you’re deliberately asking for harassment and abuse is fucking insane! What the fuck is wrong with you or anyone else who thinks it’s okay to hurl abuse at someone just because they’re a fucking public figure. And don’t fucking tell me you’re not saying it’s okay, but public figures should “expect it”. No. Full stop. Fuck that. By saying they should expect it you’re fucking normalizing it and saying it’s okay. That’s a choice you’re making, and it’s frankly disgusting.
I’m not going to have a conversation with you if you’re going to so thoroughly and completely misrepresent what I said. For fuck’s sake did you even read my last comment?
That does not at all absolve these bigoted chucklefucks. They did not deserve the harassment.
Do you read comments before you respond? I want you to explain how you came the conclusion that I said this harassment was ok when I unequivocally and clearly said it wasn’t.
I want you to explain how you came the conclusion that I said this harassment was ok when I unequivocally and clearly said it wasn’t.
I already told you. You said the act of being a public figure means you are inviting harassment. If you don’t understand how this normalizes harassment, I don’t think there’s much else to say.
Do you read comments before you respond?
Allow me to quote myself where I a) showed that I read your comment, and b) anticipated your response:
And don’t fucking tell me you’re not saying it’s okay, but public figures should “expect it”. No. Full stop. Fuck that. By saying they should expect it you’re fucking normalizing it and saying it’s okay.
You can’t say public figures should expect harassment and are inviting it and then say people who harass them are not absolved. You are absolving them by saying it’s expected and invited.
Quote where I said those things please
If you’re doing a little solo guitar performance in some back alley, does that mean the racist masses are entitled to come thundering down that back alley and harass you?
Did I say that?
They can be, but they’re not.
Great insight super informative
So the people being racist, it’s not them, it’s the guy playing a game that has races people don’t like.
Maybe let’s not tolerate bigots.
I wonder if PCgamer knows what “going viral” actually means…
It’s the magic word that makes any story seem more significant than it really is.
Its PCGamer. What do you expect?
Dedicated to the person complaining about racism against Japanese people under a post about how nice trees and hills look in AC: Shadows.
Thanks, that wasn’t the place at all for that <3
