Oh noez! Anyway…
This is gonna be the thing that splits the left into “fuck yeah burn them” and “this is going too far” and then nothing will get done because we’ll focus too much on infighting. Can’t we all come together for something not stupid like destroying random people’s cars? If you’re going to take drastic measures, at least do something more productive. Throw a Molotov at your representatives’ cars instead. I have no tears for a burnt Tesla, but I wish people were using this energy to punish more deserving people in more meaningful ways. I’m still waiting on all those “Luigi copycats” people keep thinking are gonna appear
I’m still waiting on all those “Luigi copycats” people keep thinking are gonna appear
There’s been 2 attacks on CEOs since… The copycats are appearing.
Billionaire Media just learned not to sensationalize them.
My friend told me about this show he was working at. It was a pharmaceutical meeting with lots of c suite execs.
They told him to not mention to anyone that the execs would be there on account of “recent news”.
I don’t know why but some leftists will just find the dumbest fucking hills to die on, while completely ignoring real causes that actually move agendas forward.
Where is this energy in our unions and community groups? Where are these people in town halls and school board meetings? Where are the canvassers, the volunteers, the organizers?
Stop burning cars and start doing some of the damned work you cowards. Invest in your community and show people you’re helpful and trustworthy instead of psychotic and destructive.
I’m fucking pissed at leftists who burn teslas. It’s an incredible waste of an electric car … It’s terrible for the environment. There’s better things to burn down if you want to create change
Anyone who thought Luigi copycats would appear is coping and I’ve been saying that from the start. And I say that as someone who wishes they would.
This topic is unfortunately a black spot for the lemmy community. The hate boner for musk is so hard, that some people now fail to see that burning other people’s cars is a problem. This kind of behavior can lead to some very bad consequences for people who’s only crime was literally just buying a car. Kinda leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
The hate boner for musk is so hard, that some people now fail to see that burning other people’s cars is a problem.
So, you’d be ok with someone wearing a Nazi pin, because “It was their grandpa’s”?
Im gonna put it this way, I’d be OK with not burning down someones house because their their grandpa was a nazi and they lived in it before. Also, not even remotely comparable, get your head out of your ass.
What if they were a Nazi because Papa Was a Nazi? Can I burn their house down then? Please tell everybody what’s acceptable. Be the Arbiter for the world. To what level are we allowed to defend ourselves against fascism?
Yes, I’d be ok with that, especially if they flew nazi flags “To memorialize paw paw”…
Which is basically the same thing as torching other Nazi symbols, like Teslas. Because it’s always acceptable, as a matter of community defense, to destroy Nazi iconography and property. Get your head out of your ass.
The site is nearly useless anyway. It lists very few actual car owners and the ones I’ve looked at weren’t even accurate.
I fundamentally disagree with doxing regular people. It’s one thing if it’s a public figure who is actively antagonizing people and using anonymity as a layer of protection against repercussions for their awful acts. But publishing the names and addresses of people who simply bought a car is not something we should be doing.
They didn’t “simply buy a car”, they bought a symbol, and everything that brings along with it.
Normally I’d agree.
But, I don’t really care anymore.
One side has crossed all sorts of lines and now pushback is happening. Innocents always get caught up in situations like that.
They can sell their Teslas.
Isn’t this just class infighting though, something completely against the benefit of the workers so the owners can continue to pick our pockets while we aren’t looking?
Not when that part of the class is determined to ruin everyone else in the class. Nazi’s aren’t a part of the community.
And everyone driving a Volkswagen is a nazi then too? If you support burning teslas, you must also support burning those
Well that’s a moronic argument
Yeah, I hate to break it to you, but people who bought a Tesla four years ago aren’t Nazis.
It’s never class infighting when you are attacking class traitors. They are free, of course, to stop being class traitors.
Same logic applies to cops.
If you truly think someone who bought a car years ago is a class traitor, I don’t really know what to say.
If they are still driving a luxury car made by Nazis, to promote Nazism, even when it becomes very obvious a nazi symbol… Yes, they are.
As someone who was raised in a conservative family but who climbed through a great many hoops to finally arrive at socialist thought: if you nutters were the left while I made that journey, I doubt I ever would have finished it.
The world has enough psychos in it, please stop hurting people who you can’t even be sure are complicit.
Can’t wait to visit.
People showing exactly where they draw the class line in here lmao
I feel like unless you bought an Incel Camino or a brand new Tesla like in the last year, you really shouldn’t be on the receiving end of quite so much hate, TBH. They were the car that finally got EVs off the ground as an acceptable alternative, so it’s a shame early adopters are possibly being lumped in with MAGA truck owners.
so it’s a shame early adopters are possibly being lumped in with MAGA truck owners.
They could just sell it, or just not drive it, and keep it covered with a tarp…
Sure, everyone got the money to do that… Everything you have written in this thread so far is quite … let’s go with reality shifted.
The money to do what? Take public transportation?
The only reason EV’s never got off the ground in the US is because the auto industry was shutting that shit down every step of the way. Iirc a few people even got disappeared. There are numerous documentaries out there.
I agree though, going after regular folks just because they bought a car isn’t cool. People should stay focused on the actual fascis7s.
Disappeared? The oil and gas industry has been making people disappear for profit since before automobiles became a thing. This industry will murder you if you’re actually competition or inhibiting them.
Car dealerships are fair game I don’t care what happens to cars there. But an individual’s car, I wouldn’t go beyond leaving notes on the windshield, otherwise you’re just making people angry for no good reason. Before 2020 a lot of people may have bought a Tesla and while Musk was always fishy, at the time it wasn’t any worse than most other car companies. And not everyone can “just sell” their cars. Cybertrucks though… These are actively dangerous and disabling them is a matter of public safety 😝
And not everyone can “just sell” their cars.
If you bought a Tesla… Yes, you can just “sell your car”. These are not cars that a typical working class joe buys.
It’s hard to argue against public safety 😅
The only reason EV’s never got off the ground in the US is because the auto industry was shutting that shit down every step of the way.
Is this Tesla’s fault? How is this relevant? Everyone knows this; it’s like, the number one “did you know?” fact about EVs.
Tesla bennifits from it giving them a monopoly other market.
If you think EV companies benefit from companies like GM trying to shut down EVs at every opportunity, you need to rethink.
They don’t. But tesla does
I guess it does make Tesla the number one symbol of the failure of US capitalism.
Leaf was the first “off the ground”. Tesla were the first to show that production EVs weren’t limited to boring econoboxes.
Anyway, you can filter out early adopters because they didn’t have factory anti-chrome, so if you see a shiny trim around the windows - it’s probably got a pre-public meltdown era owner.
But look harder than just that! Many owners got the chrome blacked out with a vinyl wrap. And the blacked out appeared in 2018 in the model y first, which could’ve been just right after the pedo remarks.
True, that’s why I sneaked a “probably” in my comment lol
The leaf did such a disservice to EVs that the world would probably have been better off without it. It was ugly, it was slow, it had no range, it had no battery cooling so degradation was awful, and charging was slow to boot.
I knew like 2 people that had leafs, they loved them.
I knew like 2 people that had leafs
So all of them
We wouldn’t be here without it though. It did a decent job popularizing EVs, much better than i-Miev for example.
Would we though? The model S was only ~2 years away and that was the first EV people took seriously.
The leaf was affordable, but depreciation hit so hard that buying one new was only for actually insane people. And the battery degradation was almost as bad as the price degradation so your meh range became even worse. In ideal conditions it was fine, but anything worse and it was not a good option.
I’m not a time traveller so I can’t say for sure, but cars lile Chevy Bolt and Renault Zoe wouldn’t be the same, since Leaf showed that there was demand for small BEV hatches and battery cooling systems
Most of those were fixed with gen 2 but the one the two that really matter were not fixed: no water cooling and the CHAdeMO charging. What is worse is that they still didn’t fix it over the last 8 years with a newer generation when it was clear those were both nonstarters. Instead they came out with the overpriced Arya which is much worse than the competition.
But make no mistake, the Leaf back in 2011 was a game changer. It showed that your commuter car could very much be an EV.
A lot of that is why I have kind of always resented the tesla marketing even before we k new musk was a hateful sexpest. My uncle had one of the early models before they added a lot of the safety features and it was REAL fun to go basically have instantaneous acceleration… and he would probably have died from that if he didn’t die from cancer instead.
But very quickly they made the argument that people need giant batteries and massive range. And that still permeates today. And the reality is that, no, people don’t. The vast majority of driving is commuting which tends to be more stop and go than not and just making charging stations in parking lots more ubiquitous would go a REALLY long way. No, not the super chargers. Just simple slow as hell level 1 and 2 chargers. And that would cover basically everyone 6.9 days a week outside of the folk with REALLY long commutes.
Where long range and super fast charging DOES help is for people doing long road trips and… folk think they are gonna be in their 30s and 40s driving 12 hours straight with only a stop to dump their piss bottle at a gas station. The reality is that by the time you are even considering a “new” car, you are probably also going to be more likely to stop for lunch or have kids to deal with where 30-40 minutes for a full recharge makes a lot more sense.
But instead we got into the mindset that you need a massive battery so you only charge up once a week and when you do it is a 10 minute recharge because even that is too long to wait.
I occasionally think of an alternate timeline where we realized that was stupid and instead L1/2 charging stations were a lot more popular and pretty much every major manufacturer switched to plug-in hybrids. Yeah, their battery tends to be shite compared to a “real” EV but people vastly underestimate how much you get from regenerative braking under real world conditions. Couple years back I had a rental toyota sedan and ended up driving all around Ontario for the better part of a week on like half a tank of gas and it was insane. And the needle literally did not move the entire time I was in Toronto or even frigging London.
I think you are stuck on theory and don’t have a good grasp of the pragmatic realities here.
But very quickly they made the argument that people need giant batteries and massive range. And that still permeates today. And the reality is that, no, people don’t. The vast majority of driving is commuting which tends to be more stop and go than not
I consider a 300 mile battery to be the smallest I’d buy for a number of reasons.
and just making charging stations in parking lots more ubiquitous would go a REALLY long way. No, not the super chargers. Just simple slow as hell level 1 and 2 chargers.
In most of the western world all of those parking lots you’re talking about are private property. Getting L1/L2 chargers installed in dozens or hundreds of spots. That is not only a significant expense, but you’d have to talk to, and convince millions of business owners to make massive investments for something that would take decades to even come to break even. Also, the costs don’t end at installation. Regular maintenance is required for EV chargers to continue to be operational. That costs money too.
Further, there are a frightening number of Charging Networks. Each with their own app, account requirement, and billing terms. Just because an L2 charger exists at your location doesn’t mean its a fair price for charging. Some business owners charge MASSIVELY for L2 charging (which is their right, its their charger).
And that would cover basically everyone 6.9 days a week outside of the folk with REALLY long commutes.
You’re talking about literally millions of L1/L2 chargers that would have to exist with even more than 1:1 availability for each EV sold.
Where long range and super fast charging DOES help is for people doing long road trips and… folk think they are gonna be in their 30s and 40s driving 12 hours straight with only a stop to dump their piss bottle at a gas station. The reality is that by the time you are even considering a “new” car, you are probably also going to be more likely to stop for lunch or have kids to deal with where 30-40 minutes for a full recharge makes a lot more sense.
I don’t know of any EV with a single charge range that could drive for 12 hours at highway speeds. The largest are 400-450miles which would be a very generous 6 hours tops.
But instead we got into the mindset that you need a massive battery so you only charge up once a week and when you do it is a 10 minute recharge because even that is too long to wait.
No, you need a larger battery for a whole bunch of other reasons:
- you may be in the 34% of Americans live in a rental and don’t have an L1/L2 EV charging option.
- you can’t guarantee your regular public charger will be operational as lack of maintenance (because they are privately owned) or vandalism
- its the deep winter and you only have 70% of your battery capacity available to you
- its still deep winter and you’re expending more charge on keeping the car warmer than you do in summer
- there’s ICE vehicles sitting in your public charging spot blocking your ability to charge that day
- you came home exhausted and forgot to plug in the L2 charger at home, and if you had a small battery your day is now ruined/costly
- there was a power outage at home for a night but with a larger battery its no problem and you can charge it in a day or so
- your spouse was going to pick up the kids, but she had a thing come up at work, and so you’ve got to go pick them up and take them to Karate and ballet practice which was more than your standard commute charge
- There’s construction on your commute and the detour takes you way out of your normal way for a few months until the work is complete.
- You want to visit a city more than a commute distance away and even then public fast chargers are few and far between, assuming they’re functional/available when you get to one.
All of these things are solved only by a larger-than-commute-size battery.
If we lived in a planned authoritarian society like China, your idea of ubiquitous L1/L2 would be more viable. Business owners would be required to install the state sponsored L1/L2 EV charger. Alternatively, these would be installed and maintained by a public government service. In the West though, its a pipe dream to get everyone to agree and be able to afford to roll out that level of infrastructure all across a country.
In the West though, its a pipe dream to get everyone to agree and be able to afford to roll out that level of infrastructure all across a country.
Oh, we did that, with the IRA, and we, of course, gifted it to Elon Musk, after we paid to build it.
Oh, we did that, with the IRA
We didn’t. Not what @[email protected] is suggesting, which is L1/L2 charging. L1/L2 is much slower but much cheaper EV charging infra to deploy
and we, of course, gifted it to Elon Musk, after we paid to build it.
Musk is a Nazi asshole, but Tesla only got less than 13% of those awards for DC fast charging deployments:
“Tesla has won almost 13 percent of all EV charging awards from the law” source
people vastly underestimate how much you get from regenerative braking under real world conditions
From what I’ve heard and read, that’s why the original Opel Ampera/Chevy Volt was so beloved.
and pretty much every major manufacturer switched to plug-in hybrids
Nowadays we have new Honda (and Nissan but who cares tbh) hybrids where the engine doesn’t drive the wheels 99% of the time. So we’re intersecting with that timeline a lil bit lol
That’s actually pretty cool to know. Thanks!
Tbh there was also a time where I was under the assumption that all the big car manufacturing CEOs are probably not much better, Elon was just stupid enough to be open about it. For that I’m willing to give the benefit of doubt unless they recently got a Tesla brand new or have the PS1 graphics car.
ive seen people around my area buying new teslas as of recently including the truck, they know full well elon is capable of, they just seem ignorant to his politics. also the fact the teslas as QC problems people are ignoring, going back all the way before twitter purchase. on reddit people were buying the truck as way to get attention, so im not surprised they are this ignorant.
I’m kinda conflicted about this. On the one hand, selling a car takes time and energy, and might not necessarily be feasible to do in just a few months, especially since the market for em is going to SUCK. On the other hand, if you continue to drive a car from a company owned by a literal Nazi once you know, then… well I don’t feel too bad for you.
Once you purchase the vehicle, the damage is already done. There is nothing to gain from busting up cars people already purchased.
Carvana takes like… a couple of hours to sell on. Check in hand and all.
I switched to EVs in 2014, and went fully electric in 2018. My problem is that there still isn’t a good alternative I can use for long distance trips for my family of 7. I’d love to switch to something like the Kia EV9, but I almost have my current car paid off, and can’t afford another $80k car. I’m conflicted, because I don’t want to switch back to a gas car, and I believe my current power company is on track to be 50% sustainable/renewable in 5-10 years. I feel like it could take me years as opposed to months to find a replacement EV that works for me.
Rent a van the few times you need one
… What tesla are you fitting 7 people into these days?
Because they only have one vehicle that isn’t a sedan and… he was a full mask off hatemonger long before the cybertruck actually hit market.
The only 7-seater available in 2018 was the Model X. Yes, it was clear he was an asshole as far back as 2018, but he was still a huge proponent of mitigating climate change (in hindsight it was clearly a grift for him), so at the time I thought it was a net positive. I used up a lot of my savings to afford it, so it would be difficult for me to switch to anything that isn’t a gas car.
Sell their cars to who BEN? Aquaman?
In the end someone will own the car and be f’ed because of it. The seller will take a huge financial loss because other people think it helps to force people to make bad financial decisions while Tesla already has the money.
Here’s the thing, if you own a Tesla, it’s already been depreciated through elon’s actions. You just haven’t realised (in the accounting sense) the loss yet.
The fact is that they are being targeted, so selling now is a method of hedging your losses. The other option is to gamble that you won’t be targeted.
The car still has utility to the person who owns it. It’s “real” value is irrelevant to most people so long as it does what it was supposed to do when purchased.
Also adding the fact that people almost never purchased a uSED tesla for a reason, because the QC issue crops up, and new drivers are turned away from it. the only time i notice someone getting a used one(is a youtuber trying to mooch off of another ytubers fame., its actually quite sad)
I’d point out Volkswagen and Porsche also still exist. With the former now owning a laundry list of other brands.
I’m definately in the camp where people need to take a step back and look at who they are hurting with this and how realistic it is to expect people to just get rid of their car. Especially now nobody wants them.
After all just because Democrats now hate this brand doesn’t mean MAGA starts buying them up…
I’m definately in the camp where people need to take a step back and look at who they are hurting with this and how realistic it is to expect people to just get rid of their car.
Ok, so they don’t need to get rid of it. Park it, cover with a tarp, and use public transportation. Easy solution.
Sorry if it’s inconvenient, but opposing fascism isn’t convenient to do.
Hell, if that’s too far a bridge, the owner is of course, free to take a can of paint, and put “Elon Musk is a Nazi” on the car. Problem solved.
people need to take a step back and look at who they are hurting with this and how realistic it is to expect people to just get rid of their car.
I think after reading @[email protected] 's perspective, I’m certainly a bit more sympathetic. I guess I had a picture in my head about the economic status of the typical Tesla owner that they could probably afford to absorb the loss if they could afford the thing in the first place. I forgot we live in a world where you can finance everything, even your take-out, and that even luxury car owners might be living paycheque to paycheque.
That, and that there are probably quite a few people who got one for environmental reasons who don’t deserve to be hurt for what was most likely an innocent mistake.
Yeah, Volkswagen is super well known for really caring about emissions… Cough…
I kinda thought that’s what they were getting at, that there are other brands that deserved scorn just as badly, and we generally don’t take out our frustrations on the owners.
Anyone got the address? I want to add it to my block list so I never get tempted to visit it.
I went here https://dogeque.st/
Wherr there is the onion link dogeqstqzn2yjns2d6ccns7aa52tglno63ay2uv2orfvd7e23khcsxid.onion
I want my information removed. Absolutely! Just provide us with proof that you’ve sold your Tesla. Email [email protected]. We only accept scanned documents in JPG and PNG formats.
Can I mirror this website? Of course! Anticipating that some might try to take us down, we’ve designed DOGEQUEST to be super easy to mirror. It’s just a single HTML file—no backend or external services required. Simply save the page from your browser. To display the map, you’ll need to supply your own Protomaps tileset. Grab one from https://maps.protomaps.com/builds/. Save the .pmtiles file as ‘tiles.pmtiles’ in the same folder as the DOGEQUEST .html file. You can reduce the size of the PMTiles file from around 120GB to about 15GB by extracting just the United States using go-pmtiles. Now, host both the .html file and tiles.pmtiles from the same directory using any web server that supports range requests. Seriously, any web server will do. And voilà, you’re all set!
Holy, I did not quite expect to have an interactive map. o.o
This manhunt for Tesla owners is wild. The overwhelming majority of these cars will have been bought way before everything went to shit.
You really need to get your head out of your own ass if you think this is the route to get people to join your cause. Not everybody is in a position to arbitrairily sell their car and donate proceeds to charity like these Hollywood stars.
If the car is even yours to begin with and not a lease or company car.
Unfortunately due to how insurance works, damaging Teslas is yet another way to raise premiums.
Also, this isn’t about joining a cause anymore. This is about the only method of retaliation left. I assume most who could afford a Tesla (which was always on the higher priced side of things) are also those who could have by now afforded to do a trade in for basically any other car for months by now.
If I myself somehow still had a Tesla, I’d get rid of it for a used car if I had to. If I could afford it though, I’d pay for a punk band to create a song against Elon and Trump, and shoot a music video of said punk band and friends destroying the Tesla in slow mo and lighting it on fire, ending it with the car blowing up.
Actually, how about you find poor people who own a Tesla and reach out to them. I’ll crowdfund for them so we can make this music video happen, and the proceeds will go for them to buy a new car. Find me more than one and I can do different music videos - maybe dubstep or electronica while this guy shoots his plasma cannon at it. Or Classical music or an orchestra as we destroy a car with icicles and rust for example.
I’m sorry, do you genuinely think that burning some random guy’s car is actual retaliation?
You really underestimate how many people buy above their means for cars.
not Cybertrucks though. We should focus on Cybertrucks.
It’s working tho. Have you seen how butthurt Elon and Donald are? Tesla stocks going down?
Musk called a guy a pedo because he was angry they didn’t use his solution to save kids that would have died if they had waited for him. That was in 2018. Wanna bet most Tesla on the road were sold after that happened?
Musk was shit way before the current events, people still supported him financially.
You are arbitrarily deciding a line where people should have stopped buying his cars to prove your point in the present. But nobody hunted down teslas after the pedo remark? So evidently people disagree with your line.
I’m not sure what you expect people to do with this.
If CEO’s being pricks is such a valid reason to drop whole companies Amazon also shouldn’t exist. Instead Amazon is worth more then a laundry list of western economies.
It’s expensive to ship anything to my state (alaska) so amazon is pretty much the only choice.
I mean… No, Amazon shouldn’t exist? What’s the point you’re trying to make here?
I’m just pointing out that there’s a shit ton of people that just decided to ignore the fact that Musk is a moron that has no business managing a multinational company and none of them deserve compassion now that they suddenly realize that maybe they shouldn’t have bought a car from him.
I love how you’re just ignoring the meat of my reply…
Acknowledge Polerviking’s meat!
Well it is fairly majestic if I do say so myself.
People might not have had enough principles to care about the pedo remark, it doesn’t make them right or good people. People purchase plenty of shit from evil companies, does it means what the companies do isn’t evil? No. It means people are idiots.
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i hope your not that naive, the point is to send a message, and TESLA is clearly suffering from the falling sales and the continuing boycotting and vandalism is working. Also the fact that teslas in general have defect issues anyways.
Im not saying to not boycott Tesla. Im saying Tesla isn’t hurt by damaging or destoying someones private property.
But most or all. You don’t need to freaking dox it’s owners to key or even entirely destroy a Tesla…
People don’t need to get hurt or worse over their car. I don’t care what justification you make up in your head for it that is just wrong on all levels.
m saying Tesla isn’t hurt by damaging or destoying someones private property.
But, they are!
Insurance premiums going up for Teslas make it more likely people will skip buying them.
Im saying Tesla isn’t hurt by damaging or destoying someones private property.
The share price is down 50% YTD
The interesting thing is that just talking about damage done to Teslas can harm the share price even further.
You talk about people getting hurt. I hope only the car is being damaged.
You need to look at my reply in the context of the news I’m replying to.
This website is for publishing name and address info of people.
The most innocent thing that can reasonably come from that sort of activism are threats of which you can only hope are just that.
The only people who work for DOGE are named, not Tesla owners.
That’s not how I read this (excerpt from article):
Dogequest,’ the recently launched website which is doxing some Tesla owners and members of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) and putting their personal information on a searchable map
Journalism is unreliable in the 21st century. You have to go to primary sources
Except they are.
Any cases of people being hurt yet? Or are you just making shit up?
I’ve never seen a Tesla at a used lot. Before this weekend, when I saw two
Cause? What cause? They finally found their version of Trans people to target.
Let’s be completely honest here. We know right hates LGBT because they can’t be openly racist anymore. People NEED to hate and fight something. They’ll use anyone and anything as the target to lash out.
Now we have people target Tesla because Musk is unreachable… Really? That’s the avenue you want down? World’s easiest target and you pick one thing he’s associated that’s good and will effect normal people? Cool. Checks out. You can’t put face on starlink, spacex or twitter anymore apparently.
It’s stupid and while so far removed from anti LGBT the other groups were targeting, this isn’t a race to the bottom.
Is it stupid if it works?
Also, I didn’t know people were born Tesla owners. Interesting stuff.
have you actually seen his sales, and stocks, hes definitely negative impacted by it, you should really go read some news. Also please correctly refer them as LGBTQ+ people, when you use the former definition you are doing it on purpose almost seemingly out of the same way right wingers say.
The article doesn’t say if it’s targeting recent Tesla buyers or all owners.
Most current Tesla owners are not MAGAs and bought when they were marketed as a green vehicle.
Most current Tesla owners are not MAGAs and bought when they were marketed as a green vehicle.
They should prove it and spraypaint their cars with anti-Elon shit.
Musk has been acting nazi for quite some time.
Musk has been acting nazi for quite some time.
Yup. People are acting like this is something that just happened in January.
My first educational experience regarding how fucked Musk is was when he randomly called a Thai rescue worker a pedophile in 2018. And it was relatively high profile news. I saw a post on Reddit about a year ago asking when Elon went crazy and most comments agreed the first highly public instance was the Thai cave event.
So I’ve spent the last 7 years seeing more and more Teslas on the road knowing this guy was a grade-A fucking asshole that these drivers were enriching. And people are acting like his assholery is some new thing.
Not as openly. Yoy would have really looked into his background to know what kind of person he was and even then he had not gone full nazi.
My car was made in the 90s.
I think most people weren’t fully aware until recently. You had to be active online or actually look for information to see it was more than just rich billionaire syndrome. We all live in bubbles and some people didn’t get to hear about all the details with the 2019 pedo submarine incident Nowadays it would be very difficult to argue you didn’t know but bought a Tesla because it’s in your face.
For context, the model S was first sold in 2012, the model x in 2015, model 3 in 2017 and Y in 2020.
So the model 3 was released when he was a Trump advisor, and the Y when he openly started spreading conspiracy theories non stop.
As for the “we didn’t know” excuse it’s as bullshit now has it was in 1945.
Yes let’s compare owning a cirtain car to holocaust denial.
The holocaust didn’t start with gas chambers, it started more than 10 years before with people ignoring evil because it was convenient for them.
For context, the comment the one above replied to originally said “gassing Jews” instead of “holocaust denial”
Yes it did. I changed that to be somewhat less insensitive.
people buying the cybertruck are fully aware of Elons behaviour, they buy it to stroke thier own egos. ive seen an increase in newer regular teslas being driven around, i think some people are ignorant to his politics.
All owners that they can find in various leaks/databases when I checked last week.
And musk has been a known evil dipshit since at least 2018 when he threw a hissy fit because the divers who rescued those kids didn’t use musk branded products. He accused one of the divers of being a pedophile and actively devoted resources to “proving” this.
Let alone the countless stories of musk being a sex pest (remember having to buy a woman a pony because of whatever he did to her?)
So, at best, people can argue “I didn’t care enough to do any research on what I bought and accidentally enabled a nazi.”. At which point… I really don’t give a fuck? Its the same as the people who couldn’t be bothered to do any research and were surprised to hear that biden apparently wasn’t on the ballot.
Their apathy is causing untold horror to at risk groups and the global economy. So they can go fuck themselves.
And, totally anecdotal: I have seen fucked up teslas in parking lots next to un-fucked ones that just had a “I bought this before he went insane” or “I hate him too” bumper sticker.
Do you buy Nestle products? Do you buy anything from Amazon? Do you drive an ICE car and purchase gas for it?
If you do any of these things you’re an evil piece of shit Nazi and deserve to have your possessions burned to nothing (per your logic)
the hyperloop scam which he cause cali to be unable to build the fast rail, because it allowed enough time for trumps, Elaine chao to block any kind of funding.
I can honestly say I don’t research the political affiliations and actions of every CEO of every product I purchase.
Well, good time to start
You can’t argue with these people, anyone who owns a tesla deserves to have it destroyed in their minds.
I detect nothing wrong with that.
Okay? Then don’t expect me or anyone else to research the political affiliation of the owner of the tesla we see on the street to decide if they are a hateful pro-nazi prick or not?
Germans in 1945: Sorry I am not political.
Russians 2022: Not political.
USA 2025: I did not know, it was only in the media for years everywhere.
Actual 90% of Americans: I’m busy trying to survive daily life working essentially paycheck to paycheck, maybe working two or three jobs and a side gig to make ends meet, commuting over an hour each way to work, being overly stressed from work, having to pay for some of the most expensive healthcare on the planet even with work provided insurance, and never able to afford to take a real vacation or even time to sit back and look at anything not directly part of my daily struggles to survive in current society. When I do look around, half of politics is telling me I’m lazy and the other half is talking about things that don’t affect my daily struggles.
Meanwhile both of the groups say the other is lying all the time and I don’t have the time or energy to look into it before I have to get to bed so I can get up and do it all over again tomorrow. And in the morning, my car breaks down again, and repairing it wipes out the little savings I did manage to have for a while. Now I’m worried that I might be fired because I am late to work again because of car trouble and lack of good public transit options.
Our society has been manufactured over the last 100 years to get people to the point we don’t have the free time or enough money to effectively see what’s happening and fight back without having to completely destroy our lives in the process.
If you put yourself above others, which almost everyone does, then yes, that is the logical conclusion. There is nothing you can do, as everything you do might make it worse for you. So regardless of how obviously better in the grand scheme of things, people do not do it. That is how almost every human “is programmed” and I do not know if we will every get beyond this primitive thinking.
but still kept contempt enough to not make huge riots, and uprisings like with other countries, its just enough for you to not fight the “aristocrats”, of course decades of propaganda helps, because without “being content gets you so far”
That’s handled largely by the lack of ability to take time off. And then there’s wage stagnation. It not only means increased company profits, but on the national scale it helps ensure any people do not make enough money to build up any savings.
They’ve created a very effective system where most don’t have the paid time off from work, can’t afford to call in, and also don’t have the savings to afford the time to find a new job.
Elon was a dipshit in 2018 yes… So are 90% of CEOs, and 100% of modern “Republicans”. Most just aren’t as publicly vocal because they don’t make themselves the face of their brands. The Republican party hasn’t actually supported their stated viewpoints in decades, and few members of the general public have noticed. They just take what they’re told and allowed the shift.
Being a dipshit is different from actively supporting a fascist takeover of the government. Regardless of what you might want to claim, there is a shift there. You’re an idiot if you can’t see the public shift in the last few years. He may always have been this way,but he wasn’t as vocally and publicly supportive of it. It used to just be shit takes on events for publicity, not the active lead of the country’s destruction.
Cool story bro.
They can sell. They can trade. If they want to continue to own a Nazi car, they should be prepared for the consequences.
Sell it to whom, Ben?
Fucking aquaman?
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Google says you can sell it to a dealer or a used car service like carmax.
Is that going to be a bit of a hassle? Yeah. You know what else is going to be a bit of a hassle? Needing to pretend you aren’t the gender you are because the government has painted a target on your head for choosing happiness. Or hoping nobody decides to take away the green card you worked your ass off to earn.
And is the value going to be dropping? Yeah. So get on that. Plenty of us are getting on finding ways to emigrate to countries that are less horrifically fucked and speedrunning their way to gilead and we know those slots are gonna dry up. And we are the privileged ones who even have a chance at doing this.
So “it is hard and I might lose a bit of money and it isn’t my fault I couldn’t be bothered to care until now” is a load of horse shit. And people wonder why I, and so many others, just laugh-cry whenever people talk about how this upcoming thing is totally going to flip the switch and get America to riot in the streets.
You should go outside and touch some grass friend
Their comment, unfortunately, seems grounded in reality.
If that is what you think then perhaps you need to go touch some grass as well
If you care about being consistent, you should probably smash your computer right now since you used Google, and Google CEOs are on the Trump train too.
All major companies have blood on their hands. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism.
To my knowledge, only one company’s CEO is publicly heiling hitler and actively destroying a government and killing children by defunding aid programs in a manner that violates the constituion.
And, personally? I do make it a point to avoid giving money to the REALLY bad companies. In a lot of cases that is just not possible because of the late stage capitalism hellscape we live in. But when I have the choice between some Popeyes and some chikfila? One of those companies openly funds MUCH worse things than the other and walking a block farther is, quite frankly, the least I can do.
But, instead, we need to celebrate people supporting evil through apathy and then actively defend them when protests are happening? Y’all were the ones who were talking about how kyle rittenhouse is a bad person but he had a point about being worried about the guy who owned the Target on 5th street, huh?
Because what does this say to our LGBTQ+ friends (assuming everyone involved has some…) or the people being illegally deported and sent to internment camps when the biggest pushback is “Whoa. Your protesting might inconvenience me and is thus bad”?
If you can’t see the difference between protesting in a way that actually hinders fascists, vs making a hitlist of people who fell for positive marketing, then I just can’t help you.
What the fuck is wrong with people?
Lots of stuff.
We’re easily manipulated, and way too eager in general to choose our own short term gain over the good of the collective.
Individualism is weakness, not strength.
Why is it an either/or thing?
Because we glorify and often lie about what individuals can do, and literally villanize cooperation as somehow wrong and evil in western society.
You can’t build a skyscraper individually, yet we applaud the owners of them for their asset, when it took a collective of hundreds of laborers and engineers to build it who will never benefit from the fruits of it commensurate with they work put into the collective project. Which works for the sociopaths pushing individualism as they can create a collective through capital to accomplish what they want credit and profit from and then be dismissed, so they can propagate it’s their skyscraper that “they” built. cue Steve jobs coming out on stage to take credit for the new kind of phone HE implies having made without a drop of humility.
Then they use that as a cudgel to tell individuals without their greed disease, who don’t have the means to call on flash collective employees, that if they’re struggling they must be lazy or incompetent because the right people built skyscrapers all on their own by pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
Toxic individualism is a virus. Anything worth anything our species has accomplished has been the work of many, but the self-serving sociopaths that control the means of production and propaganda and state violence want you to be hostile towards the concepts of a social contract, and social equity, and society being judged by how it’s most downtrodden are treated. It’s destroying us, and it’s murdered millions of neighbors we betrayed to die under freeways of exposure for the crime of not producing value for sociopaths, aka “pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.” Easy to say as a nepo baby on a mega yacht barking dictates at assistants.
