For me, it may be that the toilet paper roll needs to have the open end away from the wall. I don’t want to reach under the roll to take a piece! That’s ludicrous!
That or my recent addiction to correcting people when they use “less” when they should use “fewer”
Discord is not a good replacement for support forums. Discord isn’t searchable by search engines.
Historically, if I had an issue with a product and I googled “[product] [issue]” I’d be met with a support forum post, with someone describing the same issue. I could read the thread to find how they resolved it. I don’t actually have to interact with the post at all, and I don’t need to ask the same question again. For most (decent) forums I don’t even need to make an account just to read the post.
Discord throws that all out the window. Now I’m met with a “JoiN OUr dIScoRd SerVEr to GEt suPPorT” page. Nothing is searchable via a search engine. And Discord’s server searchability (even in the app) has always been, at best, absolute dogshit. You already need to know exactly which text thread things were posted in, (because you can’t search the entire server at once), and you need to know exactly what was said, (because there’s no fuzzed search terms).
So 99% of the time, you just end up asking the same question that has already been asked a hundred times in the past, and now you need to wait for someone to respond. It also puts a lot more strain on the support staff, because they’re answering the same question a hundred times instead of just the once in a forum.
And don’t come at me with the “but Discord recently added a support forum feature where people can start threads and save the conversation for later” bullshit. That’s a band-aid, at best. It still isn’t searchable via search engines, so it means the above issues with Discord’s search function still apply, and the forum function is essentially useless as support forums.
Lastly, why the fuck should I be forced to join another server just to get support? What if I don’t have a discord account? What if I live in a region that Discord doesn’t support? What if I just plain don’t want to clog up my server sidebar with dozens of servers that I have only visited once? What if I just really hate the fact that your server has been configured to push notifications for every single message by default? What if I just fucking want to google my issue, and get an answer without any further effort?
And that’s assuming they even have a support staff. Most of the time I see this bullshit, it’s small dev teams maintaining niche software with less than the bare minimum of documentation.
The only problem I have with your stance is that it’s not petty, pointless nor pedantic. It’s a plague on the world of software. Discord is terrible for the use-case it’s intended for (group chats), why the fuck are people using it for their community forums???
OP asked for petty/pointless/pedantic hills. Did you miss that?
I’d argue that this is petty, because you’re still technically able to get support for your issue in the end. It just takes a lot more effort in everyone involved; More effort on your end to actually get support, and more effort on support staff because they have already answered your question a hundred times further up the thread.
No. Using discord is unacceptable. It’s not pettiness.
To be fair, the people that dont use discords search function also wouldn’t use a forums search function. If discord was more effort as you say, people wouldn’t use it.
It’s also terrible for occasional discussion. A forum I can read the titles, go to the discussion I’m interested in, and read all the context. Discord if I’m not keeping up withe channel constantly I need to try to find where the relevant context for the current conversation starts, and hopefully it’s one I’m interested in.
You’re completely right. The only reason it exists as such a platform is because they’ve made the barrier to entry so low with plugins. Collecting payment through patreon, user ACL on the platform. It’s simply the lowest hanging fruit.
“Please read our pinned posts and click these unrelated icons to indicate the topics you’d like to argue about.”
I agree with all of your post but you can search the entire server at once. If it autofills the channel you’re either on mobile or used ctrl+F, and you can just remove it as a parameter.
Works the other way around as well, like you can search in a specific channel by adding “in:#channelname” in your search box.
Still hate it though. But I wanted to point out that it’s a teeny bit less stupid.
Trucks should be used for working and not hauling groceries. Get a fucking car or a van. Roads are safer with more crash compatibe vehicles that also weigh less. Large trucks should need a special licence to drive/own Driving should also be taught in school
A simple one I think, I refuse to call twitter by other names.
I do love, however calling it Xitter where X is pronounced “sh”
Like Xi Jinping. (Shi )
What a great example of Xi as in Xitter!
Wonder if Xi scrolls through Xitter on the xitter.
Is it? The voice in my head pronounced zshi when I read it.
Wikipedia says. ʒI: where “ʒ” is the S in pleasure or the g in beige
Which is to say (smoking my pipe like oxford don) I was making a scatological joke.
Shitter
That’s fine, it’s just hard to know without hearing native speakers’ pronunciations and you’ve only read it. Thanks for the reply!
Is it pronounced Ji? So Jitter
It’s called Xitter now, pronounced shitter.
hear hear!
It has no other names.
I hate hate hate when people try to discredit a theory because “it’s a theory not a fact” as if the label of “fact” exists on some kind of science ladder for an idea. “Facts” is a colloquial word like any other, it’s not some special category above theories.
Moreover, the most tried and tested theories are facts. Science rarely just disproves an established theory outright. Einstein’s General Relatively equations reduces into Newton’s Laws of Motion in most situations. Newton’s Laws of Motion weren’t “wrong”, it’s just General Relatively is more specific and accurate.
The Scientific Method usually just builds on what already exists without claiming we were all unfactual for working with what we had.
This thread has now accrued over 1100 comments in only 2 days. That makes it the most commented thread in Lemmy history, so far. How did this gain so much traction in such a short time?
The medical symbol of the staff with the snake is only supposed to have 1 (one) snake on it. A staff with 1 snake is the Rod of Asclepius (the son of Apollo and Greek demigod of medicine), a staff with 2 snakes is a Caduceus which is carried by Hermes as a messenger or herald.
Physicians get 1 snake. Couriers and heralds get 2 snakes. Any medical professional or organization that uses 2 snakes is wrong and needs to go study the humanities and classics for a bit.
I can’t stand when people are violently opposed to words because they sound bad somewhere else. Like “moist”. If you think I’m being lewd when talking about how much I liked the stupid cake, that’s on you and your perverted mind.
There are only 2 types of people I see who use the word “yummy”
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People in cooking communities
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People on Reddit, 4chan, etc… commenting on women who appear to be under the age of 16
Last time I saw this was on the AI image subreddit.
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Horizontal video > vertical video.
If it were supposed to be pronounced “jif” it would have been spelled that way, I don’t give two fucks what Stephen Wilhite said about it either.
Same with Gnome wanting to be pronounced “Gah-nome”, or Latex “Latech”. Just spell stuff the way you want it to be pronounced, or accept that people pronounce it another way
or Latex “Latech”. Just spell stuff the way you want it to be pronounced
But they did! You’re the one who fucked it up by using an “x” (Latin letter x) instead of a “χ” (Greek letter chi).
(Also, you didn’t capitalize or format it correctly. It’s supposed to be rendered as “LAΤΕΧ”, and yes, those last three letters are
Τ Ε ΧGreek capital tau, epsilon, chi.)🤓
Lol, the only way to be more obtuse would be to say “our project name has no approved transliteration or Unicode string… Render this svg inline or don’t talk about us.”
Reminds me of
, as well as #11 in this list.(I’d love to scale that image to the same size as the text, but I don’t know if Lemmy’s markdown supports it.)
Just letting you know I appreciate that you used the actual “χ” instead of just “X” when referring to the letter Chi.
New hill: All brand names must be composed entirely of pronounceable characters from languages in actual use today
from languages in actual use today
Nuh uh
Gnome is spelt the way they want it to be said. Are you suggesting that gnome should be pronounced ‘nome’ like the garden ornament with a silent g.
Is it not?
Also .JIF is already a file format and as far as I know, it’s pronounced, “jif” just like it looks. So if “gif” and “jif” are supposed to be pronounced the same way, then why do we even have the letter J? Fuck the letter C too while we’re at it, get a unique sound, you bastard letter.
Oh wow that’s actually a really good point!
Now prepare for it to be dismissed! People are too dug in at this point, there’s no going back. The trenches have been dug.
Jod Himself could descend from heaven, and decree “actually it’s pronounced jif…” And I’d still continue pronouncing it gif.
My argument for this is that gift is pronounced with a hard g, why would removing the t change anything. I think SW was trolling. But you want to know what’s totally bonkers? My coworker pronounced Git with a soft g. WTF my dude?
Jithub makes me think of a place you go to get an STD.
Gi (martial arts uniform) and gin
Gel and geld
we all know it’s actually pronounced “yiff”
uwu
Agreed. I think since the “G” stands for “graphics” it should be pronounced like the G in graphics.
I always respond that in that case, “jpeg” should be pronounced “jfeg”.
But why? We don’t pronounce any other acronyms like that, so why treat GIF different? The U in SCUBA isn’t pronounced like it is in Underwater. The first A in CAPTCHA isn’t pronounced the same as in Automated and the CH isn’t split up to be pronounced like Computer and Human. The second A in NASA isn’t pronounced like in Administration and the I in PIN doesn’t get pronounced like Identification.
We read acronyms as their own words, not as a collection of the first sounds of each constituent word.
🤷 just cause?
Also, “gift”
Have any examples where the first letter of the acronym isn’t pronounced the same? (I’m sure there are some)
AWOL, OSHA, AIDS, ICE
UFO, not that that’s a super relevant question if we’re already admitting that our opinions are “just cause.” I think at that point the better question is “if just cause, why is there such a split in opinions?”
I think the reason GIF is so contentious is that if we can there’s a tendency to make acronyms sound like words if possible. FUBAR and SCUBA are pronounced the way they are because we’re trained from words like tuba to see the UBA and use a long U. Something like “oofo” (or “uh-fo” as you would likely argue) for UFO sounds like half a word, hence pronouncing the letters individually. The thing about GIF is that both pronunciations sound like a word, and so both feel valid enough that there can be a split in opinions. Any arguments one way or the other is just trying to justify a gut feeling about which way is “proper.”
To be fair, UFO is an initialism, not an acronym. But at the same time, if it was, I think it’d still be an example, because we’d likely pronounce the U like “oo” (as in “boo”), lol
Nearly all acronyms are technically initialisms
Nah, there’s plenty of both, even mixed in very similar subject matter. Example:
An ATM (initialism) takes a card then asks you for its PIN (acronym).
If it were meant to be pronounced ‘giff’ as in ‘goober’, it would have been spelled that way. You decide to turn an initialism into an acronym, you get what you get.
I would like to buy you a nice jift
It always WAS an acronym. That’s the entire point of the argument. "G"raphics "I"nterchange "F"ormat.
Nobody turned it into an acryonym, it just IS an acronym. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. The reason it’s pronounced with a hard G is because Graphics is a hard G.
And Photographic is pronounced as /f/, yet we don’t insist on JPhEG or JFEG. Language is weird, and people often decline to create an acronym from a set of initials that could theoretically be one (“CIA”), or make an acronym where it may not initially seem natural (“HMMWV”).
Choosy nerds choose gif, soft G. :-)
There are so many other acronyms where you don’t pronounce every letter the same as their constituent words, I don’t understand why GIF is the one people have a problem with accepting. SCUBA, NASA, CAPTCHA, OWCA, etc.
All of those help the pronunciation of the “word”. I’ve no clue what OWCA is, but for the others they didn’t change the very first letter that’s for kinda the most important in the phrase. It’s an image file, and they make it impossible to directly and verbally connect to the meaning of GRAPHICAL.
I’m not trying to fire on a hill for a pronunciation of an acronym just for my preference of g instead of j. But the absolute most important word in that phrase is graphical, and therefore the g noise absolutely has to be included and that is that for that argument. You don’t kill off the main character for some worse than Scrappy Doo schmuck.
And in what world are gif and jif better or worse sounding than each other for this to even have a point? It’s like whoever decided on making this fake j solely intended and only cared about making the meaning of it harder to figure out and less representative of its meaning.
Since this reply is about gif I’m mostly done, but as a quick point, for the other examples-
For SCUBA, I’m pretty sure it’s just pronounced wrong because fixing that would mess up the letters if they made it work by English rules (there would need to be 2 "B"s). So the argument comes down to making it an acronym or making a new word inspired by the acronym.
NASA is actually the same thing, with a pretty similar change that would be needed. (but 2 "S"s this time)
If both of these could just add a word their problems would be fixed and everyone would be happy.
CAPTCHA I’m only vaguely aware is an acronym and I’m not looking that up right now for sanity reasons (all these hills exploding in this thread giving me PTSD). So I don’t know how I feel about that one yet. But one day I’ll get curious and look at it.
Jermany?
but g followed by i or e very regularly makes a soft g in English (and always makes a soft g in Italian, which is irrelevant I guess but I speak both). you may as well purposely mispronounce giraffe, gelatin, germ, Giorgio, giant, gentle, etc while you’re at it since it they don’t start with a j.
by english rules it very often is a soft g, but could be hard as well, but the creator has clarified multiple times it is meant to be soft, so why are people fighting it?
gift
pan / pang
hat / hate
clam / claim
one letter can and often does completely change pronunciation. i’d give you a good ol’ fashion makin fun of, but i actually think you could’ve gotten there if you would’ve thought about for a few more seconds. you seem pretty smart. shame you clicked reply too soon.
You’re on the wrong side of history, get over it.
in terms of how people refer to it these days, you may be correct that slightly more are using the hard g. what drives me nuts about the argument though is that the ‘hard g’ crowd does not have a good argument for it. the “g stands for graphics so it should be a hard g” crowd are immediately proven wrong that that’s not how any acronyms work. the “gift” crowd are immediately proven wrong as i just did above.
just be honest with yourselves. the only argument you have is “we just like it better”. if you were honest then i wouldn’t be able to argue against it.
Gift is by far the most commonly used word that is comparable, and it is a very close comparison, it makes sense people would base it off that. I’m a soft g person myself, but the one letter change doesn’t hold up very well here. All your examples have an additional letter specifically to change how another letter is pronounced using well established rules. That is not the case here at all.
Pan/pang- the g has a well established rule to change the pronunciation of the a? No it doesn’t lol. Words are not comparable like that in english, this is another terrible argument.
Examples: lead and lead, read and read, tear and tear, bass and bass, wind and wind. Spelled the exact same way and different pronunciations. Trying to prove how gif is pronounced based on the word gift just proves you haven’t thought about this for more than 10 seconds.
There is no grammatical argument for hard g. There is also no grammatical argument for soft g. Once again, g followed by i or e can be either in English. The only thing that should sway this is what the creator intended and straight up told everybody many times.
The thing is, that argument doesn’t really hold up, because g in English has two major pronunciations.
English being a bad language doesn’t excuse incorrect pronunciations. And if your argument was to hold any water, it’d be pronounced jraphics.
I don’t get the controversy. Say it either way and people know what you’re talking about.
It IS spelled that way
The inventor of the GIF pronounces it with a soft G
Geoffrey
Giraffe
Gymnasium
There are plenty of examples of that pronunciation
all of the words you listed that use a soft g are loanwords from other languages (pretty sure they’re all french) soooo…yeah. no wonder those have different pronunciation.
when you look at anglo-saxon words the difference becomes clear:
- gift
- graveyard
- ground
- gay
all hard g’s.
mixing up languages is the common denominator here.
the G in GIF stands for graphical, neither english nor french in origin, hence the confusion about pronunciation.
alternatively; English is a terrible mess, and the only “correct” pronunciation is reached through general consensus. if the majority pronounces something a certain way, that’s how it should be pronounced.
I don’t care what Big Dictionary has to say about it, “literally” does NOT mean “figuratively.”
If “literally” means “figuratively,” then we literally have no word for “literally.”
Load the goddamn plane by column, window seats to aisle seats, grouped by odd/even seat numbers and make people line up largest seat number to smallest. It takes an extra five minutes before you board the plane and saves you twenty or thirty. It wouldn’t even cost you the five if it was the standard.
“white chocolate” doesn’t exist. It’s just sugar and a little bit of cocoa butter. It’s edible wax. It’s not chocolate and it doesn’t belong in any assortment of sweets, ever. Cocoa butter is skin moisturizer and that’s it.
To streamers, YouTubers, etc. Your Patreon supporters are called Patrons. Not fucking “Patreons.”
The reason I won’t get a Tesla has nothing to do with Musk or the car’s sketchy reliability.
It has everything to do with the simple fact that I don’t like having my basic instruments over in the center console instead of in front of me.
using “he/she” to refer to an ambiguous party. just use they for fucks sake
