Great!.. now take this momentum and do a general strike! a week should do it
That’s not really how a general strike works. You can’t just post on the internet “do a general strike” and expect it to happen or be effective. Where are the strike funds to help feed people and pay their rent when they stop getting paychecks? Where are your strike captains to organize demonstration events? Where is your army of strike lawyers to defend people when they inevitably get arrested?
General strikes take a long time and a lot of resources to plan. Only then can one be effective.
it’s strike to prevent sliding into fascism, not a parade
And you’re never going to get people on board if the solution (general strike) doesn’t meet their material needs. If people have to starve and lose their homes while under threat of arrest or more violent action, you need a way to support them or they won’t stick with it. Revolutions are built on mutual aide and community organizing, not empty platitudes and gumption. Or, worse yet, shit posting and cynicism.
then fascism it is, sadly you are waaaay past signs and petitions
hopefully I’m wrong
What have you been doing?
Not buying American, cancelling trips to NY, being extra Canadian
I hope the best for you and all of us but I fear if your revolution awaits for someone to organise it so that it’s painless and requires no sacrifices, it’ll simply never happen
Wonderful, dear US friends!
A powerful sign against all the hatred and corruption that Trump and his henchmen stand for.
I think large demonstrations like this are incredibly important, especially nowadays, because the manipulation in social media and the traditional media can so easily give the false impression that a majority would share the inhumane ideology of this regime.
For the tens of thousands on the streets, it is obvious how many decent people there actually are.
Trump and his opinion makers can do little about this - apart from their usual ridiculous conspiracy theories around Soros and other such Bogus. Because not even these unscrupulous fascists can (yet) dare to stop thousands and thousands of people from demonstrating, or even have them all arrested.
Good luck and all the best from Europe!
It is not tens of thousands.
D.C alone has an estimated 100.000 people marching.
Nationwide the number is believed to be 5 million, i read somewhere.
Yes, all the better
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Yes, it’s scandalous, but that’s why the people on the street are so important, because sooner or later you can no longer overlook them as they are a fact of life in the real world - and then it becomes clear how one-sided the media coverage is.
Thank you; finally someone from Europe that sees Americans are struggling to fight. Over there you’re unlikely to see the whole picture about what’s going on. I understand that Europeans are mad and I don’t blame them, but I wish more Europeans understood that division is exactly what the powers want and your media is likely being manipulated as well, albeit to perhaps a much lesser degree, in order to sow that division.
Now all of these people converge on Mar-a-Lago and burn it to the ground. Preferably with Trump and Musk inside.
This is refreshing to see after using reddit so long.
Calls to violence you mean?
You want a circlejerk with no barriers, whereas I wish we could discuss the reasons why hes putting in tariffs and cutting spending. Project 2025 versus ETS2 for instance, or the fact China is buying fewer and fewer treasuries every year; leading to higher borrowing costs on leveraged economies globally as money is sucked into the US, to fund the spending they also cant afford.
Even the global demographics look bleak given the amount of debt we’ve taken on, and people are still living in an MMT fantasyland as they roll over their mortgages from 2% to 6%.
My parents first mortgage, during Reagan, was at 12% which was fairly normal.
Yeah those tariffs on Canada are certainly going to help that, and he certainly never said they’d be lifted if Canada became a, what was it? Ah yes, “beloved 51st state”
As for 6% mortgages, that’s not a particularly high number actually. If you went in a 2% expecting that to last forever, maybe.
But you’ll burn all the children he has locked up inside. Best to shoot them in the head and steal everything.
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I never thought about it, but, by George, i think you’re right! It always blows me away that the Nazis just up and released all the people they’d put into camps. That was truly swell of them.
LOL
You are a dream of an opponentWell everything? Nothing has been given freely.
Now all they have to do this until main stream media cannot widely ignore this in the US.
These are the precursors to a general strike. There’s are a lot of great people out here building support networks for when it finally happens.
Please come get involved!
It’s been a couple of decades since I’ve lived in the states, but I used to watch some US TV, via satellite and later cable (TV through fiber, actually) I stopped watching US TV 2-3 years prior to COVID. I just can’t stand it. Regular TV is pretty bad worldwide, but US TV is on another level of bad.
It’ll be right before the false flag attack used to justify repression of dissent
That being America, it would not surprise me.
Why not gather the masses outside their mansions? Why do people keep gathering at the most calculatedly ineffectual areas where they’re ignored time and time again?
Have you ever been to the U.S.? We can’t all drive 3,000 km. We live in a country with drastically lower population density than European countries.
People drove across the country to go to Washington yesterday, organizers supplied coaches from every major city. Same with BLM, Occupy, and many movements before it. But god forbid we do that towards a location that could actually make a difference.
People downvote, but i am not very convinced that the protest will do anything. I also wonder why we protest where we do and when we do. I suppose the intention is that we are still in the politicians fuck around part, but not quite up to politicians find out part.
Hopefully i am proven wrong and something will happen, but even then i fear that people will settle for things being only nominally worse then normal after the scalding.
They are gathering on a Saturday when trunps playing golf in Florida.
Ikr? Those protestors really went out of their way (on their day off) to really stick it to trump (who was happily playing golf). Goes to show how ineffective and purely symbolic these protests are.
You do realize these are regular ass people who have jobs and rent and mortgages and bills to pay and kids to support? Like, we can’t be out on the street every single day.
How often are you out in the streets?
I’ve been out protesting for 14 years before last august when a fascist pig threw a brick at my knee during the pogroms in the UK. Now I can’t walk and have been diagnosed with numerous autoimmune disorders, so I physically can’t even leave my house. Perhaps it’s too much to ask you to pick up the torch.
And for the record, you’re already seeing MAGA rat out anti-MAGA to deport them, pretty soon you’ll be seeing anti-MAGA reporting other anti-MAGA to protect themselves from MAGA, and the “I have kids to take care of” crowd will be the first to turn on their own for the sake of self preservation. Your job, rent, mortgage, bills, and kids are all at stake here, and more of a reason to start knocking on the oligarchs door. Are you saying you prefer your own protection vs the future for your children?
“Mommy/daddy, did you fight for our future?” “No, I continued going to work because the mortgage was more important.”
Is your argument is that anyone who is unwilling to nuke their entire life for the movement is insufficiently motivated and shouldn’t even bother getting involved?
If that’s your stance, then you’re just plain wrong and you should probably keep quiet about it because your working against the movement.
Vanguard revolutions don’t work. They just replace one set of shitty authoritarians with another. The ONLY way this can ever work is if we make the movement accessible to as broad a swath of people as humanly possible.
I’ve been a political activist for 22 years now. I cut my teeth on the front lines of the anti-Iraq War movement in 2003. I was at Occupy. I spent my early-to-mid 20s with little regard for my personal safety and financial stability. But nobody keeps that up forever. I’m pretty sure I did it longer than most. But that’s not all I want from life.
Yes, fighting fascism is important to protecting my kids’ future (I have 2 kids). You know what else is equally important to that, though? Making sure they have a stable home and food on their plates now. And I can’t do that if I nuke my life by spending every single day in the streets, losing my job, and getting arrested.
My kids won’t have to ask me what I did because they’re there with me. Both my 3 yo and 5 yo were at the DC protest on Saturday. And this wasn’t either of their first action. My 5 yo was with us at the 2020 uprising when she was less than a year old.
A successful movement takes all kinds. Yes, there are some who can take greater risks and more radical actions, but I’m not at that place in my life anymore and that’s fine. If we can’t find a way to include people who have other responsibilities in life, too, without insulting them or implying they’re not really interested in change, then the entire movement is cooked.
So, thank you for your past service to the cause, but if you don’t have anything constructive to say, kindly fuck off.
Don’t let the rise of fascism get in the way of a days work I guess?
Don’t limit the size of your movement or it’s popular support because you’re unwilling to include people who aren’t able nuke their lives. If I don’t keep my job my children go hungry and lose their home. I’m unwilling to do that to them.
I know it’s easy to criticize the media, but, like, they have been reporting on it.
If they can ignore genocide, they can ignore protests. Just like they always do.
Their mansions are in gated communities with security keeping out the “undesirables”. Remember “I really don’t care, do you” is the truth about them.
Stop watching that trash. The US has awesome media outlets that have been widely covering US protests.
For heavens sake, I’m not a regular watcher of US mainstream “media”. There is only so much junk a human can stand. I was just observing the coverage of this particular event out of curiosity what they would do about it.
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“There be no shelter here, the frontline is everywhere.” - Rage Against the Machine
Fuck yes, finally!
Finally what? Finally the media is covering the protests that have been going on the entire time? They’re growing but they weren’t small even a month or two ago.
Fox News and the other propaganda channels are giving absurd amounts of coverage to liars. NBC just had on the secretary of the treasury where he was pitched softball questions. Without blinking this soulless minion claimed a crash is good for americans. But even a complete donkey would be skeptical of the claim that a massive economic contraction would be good for everyone.
This moron was talking out of both his blow holes about how the tariffs and economic collapse would lead to lower prices. Anyone who couldn’t spot the obvious contradictions (these people are contradicting themselves in the same paragraph) is beyond all hope.
Why are you so hostile? Calm down.
This is the first time I’m seeing any major movement outside of when Vance visited Vermont on any socials and media I follow.
Sorry, the hostility wasn’t really aed at you. It was more intended to be aimed at the media. I’m just a little tired of people believing that protests weren’t happening before now. They were happening but the media wasn’t covering them.
I’ve really been noticing the lack of actual news out of the US the past few months. It’s been incredibly weird. And online I’ve mostly seen Americans apologizing and talking about how they’re gonna wait because «It will fuck the MAGAs over even more»
I’m very happy to see you guys doing this. So you have my support!
I really enjoy watching You tubes of Rachel Madden, Lawrence O’Donnell, Stephen Colbert and some others. Last couple of weeks, none of these appear in my feed, I have to actively search for them, and even then it’s like they are on holidays. Also, any You Tube comments I make seem to disappear… I am pretty sure there’s some suppression and censoring going on. Maybe, they are finally afraid?
100% agree.
Most of my news has been through an active interest on the YouTube. Glad too see such a large turnout, it’s been a wild ride. Pretty scary to watch at times, hard to really tell what the actual consensus is on the ground level.
Good to see people taking action.
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The media are complicit with Drumpf. After all, they created him. But now the owners have lost some money, they’re jumping aboard. Never forget that the mainstream media are your enemy!
And what is being protested?
I was protesting fascism. What were you protesting?
This MF again
What might be being protested? Lesse…
- Late Social Security cheques for people who depend on them to pay their bills. This includes elderly and disabled people.
- Lost jobs and the loss of the paycheques for people laid off by both DOGE and the economic chaos the shitgibbon in chief is producing.
- People who have done nothing wrong being sent to a gulag in El Salvadore, and everything that entails.
- Attacks and erasures on people’s gender identities. You won’t care of course, but many of us do because after they get done with people they tag with the foreigner label, they’re coming after transgendered people next, then after that, they’re coming after the rest of us. We’ve seen this play before. We’d like it to end without going to World War 3 to de-Nazify us.
- Attacks on our friends in Canada and Mexico and Europe and so on.
- Increasing inflation.
- Decreasing opportunities.
- Unelected billionaires trashing our government.
- Naked Fascist displays.
I could go on, but I know you’re not here to be enlightened. If you were, you’d just google that. I mean, I just used Gemini to give a report of some of the top reasons for protesting, and a comprehensive answer was presented to me in less than 10 seconds, so I’m sure you could go do so as well. Why might you not? Oh. Rule 3. I can’t answer that. :|
(I missed a few things that Gemini picked up on. The imposition of an unpopular ideologue playbook on the country. Cuts to agencies we all rely on. Those were two things I didn’t include. Goes to show there are even MORE reasons to protest, but I don’t want to spend more time than I have on this dishonest debater. My point was made.)
Don’t forget our tax dollars funding a complete genocide!!!
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Are the tariffs and the market crash not Trump’s fault then? Who’s fault is it, since you know?
I never implied I did… it’s not one person’s fault. Yes, the tariffs are negatively affecting the stock market. I believe things are going to rebound before too long. It was projected from the beginning there would be short-term financial struggles, and here we are, but it’s necessary to stop getting fleeced by these other countries.
It’s really REALLY funny to see you criticizing people for what you described as “repeating near verbatim the talking points on the left” then go on to literally do the exact same thing with fascist talking points.
It was projected from the beginning there would be short-term financial struggles, and here we are, but it’s necessary to stop getting fleeced by these other countries.
No it wasn’t. Trump’s whole campaign he touted how he was going to lower prices on Day One, end the war in Ukraine in 48 hours, stop the war in Gaza and blah blah blah. Only when he started fucking around with his on-again off-again tariffs and the undeniable resulting economic damage did they start throwing out the “there will be some temporary pain” messaging.
And the whole story that we were being “fleeced” by other countries is bullshit. He’s so stupid. He went on and on about what a “stupid” trade agreement we had with Canada and Mexico but he was the one who negotiated that trade agreement, in his first term. But he apparently can’t remember because of his dementia.
Well I’d be happy to have a conversation with you. I believe that people on both sides of this debate need to talk respectfully to one another in order to actually make change. I can tell you distrust the left and have heard certain talking points repeated, the person you replied to did just use an AI bot so it would be the most repeated stuff. The protest in my local area, which I believe was relatively similar to all the rest across the country, was based on a “hands off” concept. I think the right wing, traditionally more libertarian, party would actually see value in it. Lots of Trump’s executive orders and the DOGE cuts are affecting country wide programs instead of letting states choose. If you want to know the exact talking points of the protests look up hands off. You are correct you’ll have to wade through a lot of articles to find information but that is sadly any news today regardless of party.
You’re trying to converse with a sea lion. He just wants to waste your time and energy. You will not convince him, because you’re not the one paying him…
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[5][6][7][8] It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”,[9] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings
I actually didn’t use Gemini to compose my response to this person. I used it to figure out how hard it was to use. It wasn’t and it pointed me to two more things I hadn’t thought of when I made my own answer. My answer came from myself, and is basically what you said, but with more people. People want Trump and Musk’s hands OFF their social security cheques. They want them OFF their paycheques. They want them OFF the services they rely on day to day, and most of them are not the takers that Team Red thinks all users of service are.
In your quest to make nice with the guy I’m calling out for his dickish behaviour to the rest of us, you implied I used an AI bot to compose my answer. To be clear, I did not. I just read the signs of the people standing around me. Thanks for that implication, though!
Fuck right off, sea-lion scum !!
Dear reader, the most surefire way to recognise a person who has his head so far up Trump’s rear that he can taste the burnt steak Trump had for his last meal is see the letters T, D, and S strung together in the empty-headed attempt to politically attack somebody else. It’s not smart. It doesn’t win the argument. It is a clear sign that the person using these letters in this way is a sycophant for the current admin and should be avoided by every decent person on the fucking planet.
This user asked what was being protested. I made it clear what was being protested. I knew this user was not here to debate honestly or faithfully because it doesn’t take any effort whatsoever to find the answer to this user’s bad faith question. But I answered so it can’t say the Left doesn’t know what it’s protesting. Denied that avenue, it drops some both-sides bullshit and then goes on a political attack.
I don’t give a shit about what it thinks about my points, or where it thinks I got them from. It asked the question, and showed why other users here are calling it a Sea Lion.
Fucking Sea Lion !!!
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity (“I’m just trying to have a debate”), and feigning ignorance of the subject matter.[5][6][7][8] It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”,[9] and has been likened to a denial-of-service attack targeted at human beings
Now you have the numbers go physically remove the shit head and all his lackies, cause he’s not going to go willingly.
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Selective destruction of establishments is next guys, keep it up!
First there was the Arab Spring.
Then the Balkan Spring.
So this is… the American Spring? Sounds like a brand of bottled water.
Everywhere except the past… where we fucking needed it.
Most people do not care about (and do not want to care about) anything under the broad topic of “politics”.
If you try to force them to care, they will punish you. That’s what we’re seeing, but it’s also why it’s so damn hard to stir people to action before things go wrong.
I could not agree more
I just watched a video from one f the big networks. They had originally done a story about the protest in Boston talking about 10,000-30,000 strong, despite organizers estimating much higher. This video revised attendance in Boston to 100,000
Why all these marches in areas that these oligarchs don’t care about? Why not their mansions?
The U.S. is pretty much as big as Europe.
It’s not easy to drive thousands of kilometers to get to their mansions. These marches happened all over the place, in major cities and capital cities.
People drove from all across the country to go to Washington yesterday, organizers supplied coaches from every major city. Same with BLM, Occupy, and many movements before it. But god forbid we do that towards a location that could actually make a difference.
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The White House is more than 40 hours away from here driving non-stop.
The number of people from here who could have participated in a march at the White House (maybe taking a week off work in order to get there and back traveling 16 hours a day by bus) would have been very small. Instead, thousands of us marched in our local downtown yesterday in a solid throng.
Protests at a specific location convey a message, but mass protests everywhere convey a message too.
Yep. Which is why there were a disproportionate number of small business owners, landlords, and other nonwage “workers” on January 6th. The people that could actually afford to fly out and storm the capital are people already in a very financially sound and privileged position. They either do not do actual work or have a job they can easily take time off for and not fear being fired.
And these people are the base of the Republican party and the MAGA movement. It’s why it’s so mucher harder to get leftist organized in places like this. There are just not as many of us that can afford to do something like that.
Showing massive crowds in every major American city does a lot more good that anything else.
Most people are followers, and many people are Republicans simply because they are cowards, and are afraid of everything that the Conservative Propaganda Machine has screamed at them about. So they think MAGAs will protect them better than weak-willed spinless Democrats. The MAGAs are also telling them that there is very little support for Democrats, and they believe it.
But if they see massive crowds of angry Democrats, many will realize that there is a LOT of opposition to the Nazis, and it will sway many to our side.
because America is big, like really big. Its not like EU countries where you can just hop on a train and get to the capital in a day. for someone in South Dakota its at least a three day commitment to travel and protest in DC, and encase you didn’t notice most people in this country can’t afford that.
Am south dakotan, can confirm
Millions of people protesting isn’t good enough for you?
Voting would be better lmao
Okay, do you have a time machine that will let them go vote?
Who was stopping them to vote then?
you’re either terribly uninformed or willfully ignorant. lack of transportation, accommodation, childcare, time off work, current identification all contribute. gerrymandering minimizes the effects of successfully voting as well.
also, you’re not helping anything.
I’m talking about right now. The present. Millions of people actively protesting in the present is not good enough for you.
Yup, the election was a huge fuck up. It’s already happened and over with. What would you prefer people doright now? Bitch on Lemmy that people fucked up in the past instead of actually doing something?
5 million middle class, old ass boomers vs what? 77 million voters?
Yeah you bet it’s not good enough
Who do I vote for to put insurrections in prison? Democrats showed it wouldn’t be them and clearly Republicans won’t. So who, I ask, should I have I voted for that would have prevented this.
I don’t think voting really does much, but voting for a third party is probably a good place to start.
Next General election isn’t until November 2026
Optimistic.
Sure it would, they should have a vote right now. And not the kind of vote where people in the States with lower population get more say.
I’m vooting! I’m vooting!
I think most of these protests were properly permitted (I know my local one was). Protestors in residential areas would likely get arrested for stuff like disturbing the peace, even if they stayed on public property such as roads. They’d probably try to charge the organizers for something too, which is probably why they aren’t being organized. But, I agree there should be protests at these people’s homes regardless.
I feel off about this. Permits. Like ok, you are given permission by the powers that be that as long as it’s in a specific area and don’t cause a disturbance… why would a protest want to play by these rules? Isn’t the point to cause a disturbance? Wouldn’t getting a permit be a direct message that the protest has no chance at obtaining actual change?
Then why aren’t you being downvoted to oblivion?
Whose mansions are you talking about? Just protesting at some random Sociopathic Oligarch’s palace isn’t going to do anything, they’ll never even see it. These people configure their lives so they never have to be touched by real life. They’ll just spend the day on their yacht or at a different palace. If they are in town, they’ll just chopper in/out at the residence, which will be behind walls and gates a quarter mile away.
Nope, flood the streets in every major city, disrupt everything, block Federal buildings, be as inconvenient as possible. That’s far more effective.
If you want to piss off a Sociopathic Oligarch, then protest at their place of business. Block their entrances, interrupt the flow of business, make it difficult to do business, inconvenience their employees, irritate their neighbors, embarrass them to their neighbors, etc.
If you want to piss off a Sociopathic Oligarch, then protest at their place of business. Block their entrances, interrupt the flow of business, make it difficult to do business, inconvenience their employees, irritate their neighbors, embarrass them to their neighbors, etc.
So how does gathering outside the White House or town halls move us towards this goal?
It gets SEEN. Sociopathic Oligarchs generally live far away from every one else, so you are a tree screaming in an empty forest - nobody hears it.
Instead, fill the streets in front of their offices, so neither they, nor (more importantly) their employees can get to work. It will piss off the other tenants in the building, the building owner, the buildings and businesses next door and across the street, etc. The message gets sent that it’s this Sociopathic Oligarch’s behavior that is causing all this trouble, and they’ll want him gone, too.
Make their lives miserable.
Instead, fill the streets in front of their offices, so neither they, nor (more importantly) their employees can get to work. It will piss off the other tenants in the building, the building owner, the buildings and businesses next door and across the street, etc. The message gets sent that it’s this Sociopathic Oligarch’s behavior that is causing all this trouble, and they’ll want him gone, too.
You’re living in a fantasy world if you think people getting blocked on their way to work by protestors are going to blame the oligarchs and not the protestors, they get mad at the protestors every time. Literally zero of them go “Hey maybe they have a point” and skip work that day to join the rally. No, they go “Fucking hippies” and roll their eyes before laughing at them with their work colleagues and taking loyalty paychecks from the oligarchs that employ them. Rather than pissing off fellow workers in an attempt to convince them (which it famously doesn’t) perhaps actually directing the attack towards the actual culprits. Again, it seems like everyone (and you) seem to try their best to figure out how NOT to go after the oligarchs, and that we should try every other roundabout idealistic mystical way instead.
The impact on the locals is irrelevant, they aren’t your audience. They’re in the same neighborhood as the Sociopathic Oligarch you are targeting, so they’re probably more like him than not. Fuck them.
Besides, even if they don’t come over to your side, they’re still going to hate the SO that is causing the disruption to their businesses. Rich fucks dont like to be inconvenienced, that was one of the primary motivations for getting rich. So they’ll be pressuring him to shut the fuck up, or stop doing whatever sociopathic behavior that is jiggling his jollies. Have you noticed that we havent heard much from Skum over the last couple of weeks? No doubt his Board of Directors, at the very least, are telling him to calm the fuck down.
And an ostracized Sociopathic Oligarch means his social status is impacted, and Mrs. Sociopathic Oligarch isn’t going to appreciate it when she doesn’t get the e-vite to the next brunch/ book club meeting because her husband is being a national dickhead.
Your audience is those who see your protest in the media. Seeing monster crowds that are pissed off and taking bold action also attracts a lot more of the same, leading to steadily increasing crowds at more and more protests.
Those growing crowds start to scare the politicians, who are all craven cowards, and they start to panic, and make political moves both positive and negative, but the main thing is that they are on the run. As the citizens see the crowds gaining political power, and the politicams panicing, many will shift their support to them.
During the Vietnam war, that’s how protests helped to force the government to end the evil draft, and eventually the war (or at least weaken political support of the war so much that they lost it, thus ending it).
Because if protesters ever pose any actual threat, they’ll be viciously attacked.
(I’m talking about progressive protestors. Cops and fash go hand in hand.)
So we should continue wasting time, effort, and energy to NOT pose as any threat? So what’s the point?
Which, specifically? They all have several.
The people going to events want political action to fix the problem and prevent it from occuring again. Not pointless Lynchings for petty revenge.
Now if we could organize in a way that encourages conservatives to switch sides then that would be cool, like a tour through conservative counties.
It’s really sad how domesticated the American people have become.
Any of these 1000+ protests could have used their manpower in one day to remove everyone close to Trump.
Instead we will keep marching and holding signs while everything gets worse and our corporate leaders tell us to wave the signs higher…
If we removed him by force with only something like 1.5% of the population on board, we’d have kicked off a civil war we could not win. Right now, it’s more important to use protest as an outreach tool to get more of the population to support change.
Well the civil war wouldn’t be 98.5% vs 1.5%. I reckon it would be fairly even, maybe even a bit more on the anti-Trump side, despite the fact that some people might not agree with violence. If forced to pick sides, I reckon most will stay on the same side of the political spectrum they’re already on.
However
I agree that civil war should be avoided. But at the same time I recognize some amount of violence may be required in the end, to have a true “liberation day” for Americans. Trump’s not stepping down as long as he’s alive and free.
No, you need to consider the National Guard and all armed forces in the US and Abroad.
IF there is a civil war it’s not going to be a bunch of citizens armed with AR pattern rifles shooting at the soldiers. It would be Palintir finding the communication hubs of any resistance fighters and a drone strike at the center of it, with a platoon of Marines coming in to clean up and post security. The Army close behind to go through and secure any surrounding structures and setup a FOB to prevent further insurrection.
It will be factions of the military fighting itself, and it would be devastating. Think Gaza but across two million square miles.
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The Irish did pretty well against such odds.
Ireland is still divided
More than a few Brits had to depart this world to do that though, yeah?
A lot of Irish did too. The country is still divided, the violence that was enacted also enabled all sorts of tertiary problems as well. Running drugs to buy guns, bomb makers being poisoned by the components of the bombs. Innocent Irish families dying from bombs being set to the wrong time. Torture, maming and killing of Irish who refused to get involved.
And again, Ireland is still divided.
Don’t get me wrong, British policy has killed more Irish than the IRA ever did, but it wasn’t some happy fucking holidays to the coast to gun down some black and tans. It was decades of terror and oppression. Not something to be bandied about online from a keyboard because you’re frustrated that Amerikkka is now showing the true nature of it’s system in place.
The IRA’s only mistake was that they stopped planting bombs to take out the Imperialists. They were good guys fighting an evil foreign oppressor; of course things wouldn’t be sunshine and rainbows all the time. It’s just as justified as the Revolutionary War.
Think about it: Would you rather take some evil people with you to the Great Beyond, or would you like some evil people to suck away all your savings as you die a slow death?
I’m pretty sure you’re not Irish, you don’t know anyone Irish, and you have no fucking idea what you’re talking about.
The IRA has no current analogue in the US. The IRA devolved into a criminal organization that terrorized the Irish just as much as the occupying brits.
Your accelerationist language and complete lack of nuance in your take tells me that you’re just looking for outrage. There are no good or bad guys. This isn’t a movie.
I wish you good luck and better mental health in the future. They say vitamin D supplements can help if you’re not getting enough sunshine wherever you are.
I’m not sure you understand how protests work.
So once you garner massive support do nothing meaningful to change things, that’s the right way to protest the government according to the government.
This is what I mean by domesticated
If you want a group of people to storm the halls of office and seize power by force you’re talking about a coup.
In this case, the demonstration of dissatisfaction by so many people is meaningful.
That “feeling” needs to build to a cacophony that republicans just can not ignore. The whole country (aside from perhaps a few loyalists) needs to be in agreement that the republicans are not fit to govern.
I thought a coup was when you placed loyalists in all positions of power, you control the news, and declare yourself president for life.
Huh well guess that wasn’t a coup and there’s no problem.
War is peace Freedom is slavery
Taking your most recent comments into account. You’re the antithesis of your username.
How the hell are you suggesting that a single group of 10,000 to 100,000 people can “use their manpower in one day to remove everyone close to Trump”?? Are you saying that the January insurrections were a good idea? The tough part you’re not considering is that to preserve (what’s left) of democracy we need to continue abiding by its principles as frustrating as it might sound. We need democracy intact after this is all over. One could almost infer that your comment seeks to invite violence.
“A body remains at rest, or in motion at a constant speed in a straight line, unless it is acted upon by a force.”
I really don’t like the amount of violence being suggested here. Trump needs to be removed but a lot of you are suggesting to support violent fantasies.
By the way that’s a very strong tactic be terrifically Republicans to make the left look unhinged. And they’re correct. It will turn a lot of people against you. Most are not violent people.
The point of making the ‘left’, or any opponent, look unhinged is to pressure them into submission. The reason why this works very well is because your media is complicit in amplifying any wrongdoings by any opponents and twisting the perception.
i mean, check out protests in Europe and how they’re framed by their media. Even your Vietnam war protests back in the day; your media started banging on about them being drug users and layabouts to make dismissing their cause much easier.
I just think Americans have lost a lot of people power if you have to protest while walking on eggshells. Best thing to combat it is to have a conversation with everyone. Get people chatting face to face rather than having the TV spout nonsense at them.
There’s one of the worst ways in modern times to get any message across. It’s like suggesting we use carrier pigeons to communicate on a battlefield.
The Internet exists. Hey did the Republicans protest in the streets to get their message across?
I didn’t see that yet every single person I know could reiterate almost all their talking points. If protests were stuff an effective medium for creating supporting and spreading a cause, how did they accomplish it without it.
Republicans hired think tanks. Same way the cigarette company did you delay laws. Same way energy companies did to delay and sew distrust on climate change.
The left for all the geniuses they say they are have not adapted to the modern world. Imagine if every single person at these protests stayed home instead and shit posted on every platform they could. That’s how you get messages out in modern times. You use the algorithms. You create content. You boost signals.
What you do not do is drag people into the streets banging pots. It’s not the 1960s
Everyone is online. You need people burying their signals and amplifying our own. You need memes. You need everyone to force their hand. The fucked up thing is they have such entrenched culture that you’d think it’s obvious where to apply pressure. It’s not calling them a Nazi. It’s culture jamming our society so we associate trucks with femininity. They are more sensitive than ever and it should be easy to find their soft spots. Can’t hit it from the middle of the road
What you do not do is drag people into the streets banging pots. It’s not the 1960s
Are you sure? I’m pretty confident that’s what happened on the weekend.
Also, relying on technology owned and controlled by the billionaire class is a bit rich…
Anyway, I don’t want to antagonise you. Just don’t discount the traditional methods of communication thinking it’s ineffective. In a world where privacy is almost non-existent and you’re constantly being monitored, going analogue is one of the best tactics there is.
Are you sure? I’m pretty confident that’s what happened on the weekend.
My point is it isn’t effective. What is the result as of today, tomorrow, a week from now. What has it accomplished. What will it accomplish. And as I said, if the goal is to spread awareness about an issue than let’s measure this against another method like shit posting. Which was my point about governments and think tanks who get paid to spread awareness. These groups are not doing protest, they create engagement online and in media. There’s a reason for it.
Also, relying on technology owned and controlled by the billionaire class is a bit rich…
Why? What will happen. How is that any different than relying on the city, the state and the government to not just beat your head in and arrest anything. If anything protests seem to benefit the other side when the other side are authoritarian. It lets them see who the leaders are and knee cap them.
Anyway, I don’t want to antagonise you. Just don’t discount the traditional methods of communication thinking it’s ineffective. In a world where privacy is almost non-existent and you’re constantly being monitored, going analogue is one of the best tactics there is.
I am an antagonist but not trying to troll. I just don’t see value in protests as they exist today. I think protests are a solved game. I believe police and authorities have such an upper hand that they prefer people to protest. The authorities ability to organize, coordinate and apply force is greater than the protestors. It’s a wasted effort on my books. The risk to reward is unbalanced and we need to adapt to modern times.
Same here. The peaceful inclusive protest in Sackets Harbor, NY over the weekend worked. The immigrant children and their mother are being returned from Texas as I type this. Don’t give Trumpy any room to paint the left as unhinged.
Their demands seem to be as feeble they might as well not exist. So the mass protests might not exist as well. Hands off bla bla lol, might as well send a sternly written letter haha. “Oh please sir, could you possibly be less rough with me?!”
I heard that the USA has been involved in illegal regime change in other countries 62 times. Sixty two times! Overthrowing quite a few democracies too. But for the US this seems unthinkable still, even for mother jones. A simple demand like the Trump administration to step down and call for new elections seems to be nowhere to be found.
PATHETIC ATTEMPT AT REVOLUTION!
This is exactly how every single popular uprising in history has started: by overwhelming numbers of people getting out in the streets to have their voices heard. They always start off as peaceful until drive past that by elite/institutional reaction.
If this were a single instance, then, yes, it would seem feeble and ineffectual. But it’s not. It’s the early days of a large movement. We’re less than 3 months into the regime and this past Saturday was already the single largest day of protest in American history. And there’s another one scheduled in 2 weeks on the 19th.
I was at the protest in DC. There was 100k+ people there. I’ve been a political activist since the protests against the Iraq War in 2003. This event on Saturday was notably different than any other I’ve attended in 2 ways. One was the sheer size, larger than any other protest in DC I’ve seen. The other was the demographic composition of the crowd. All previous protests I’ve been to were primarily filled with male-presenting young people. This was very different. At 38 years old, I was definitely younger than the majority of the people there. It was also far more racially diverse than any other events I’ve been to except for the 2020 uprising.
What do you expect a giant crowd of people mostly in their 40s-60s to do? You think they were all going to storm the White House or Capital?
For that matter, what are you doing? You say these demonstrations are pathetic? Then surely you must be taking more radical actions that have a much higher chance of effecting change. I’d love to join in, so, please, tell me what you’re doing that’s puts the 5 million people out in the streets on Saturday to shame?
I was in DC on Saturday too, and I also have been going since W Bush’s first inauguration, and several anti war protests after that. I always enjoy seeing people out on the street, but I also feel like these protests don’t really accomplish anything as such. They are just really easy to ignore, unfortunately. Participants feel good about themselves, and hopefully build relationships with new people. But did that crowd on Saturday threaten anyone? Did any elected officials (R or D) feel nervous about it? Were there any demands made that will be met? Again, I do appreciate so many people taking the time to protest, but I hope that plenty of them have a line at which they will take stronger action, and that it doesn’t come too late.
Well not wrong but without clear demands there can be not even a chance for anything to happen. Then it’s just a big angry party. So something like call for new election. Because this one was fraud based on lies and the current administration is engaged in treason / economic terrorism.
There is no mechanism within American politics to run a new election. If that’s the demand, we first would need to amend the Constitution, which isn’t going to happen, or violently overthrow the government. Just demanding, “run a new election” is as empty a demand as anything else you could imagine.
Take a look at how the US facilitates regime change. It’s always extra-legal. If you can’t even imagine it, then it’s just a pathetic and empty show of frustration. And that’s on the people of the USA (and the media of course that manipulates and indoctrinates them).
Sure. And the US government has the CIA and military to enact that regime change. Plus they have all the cops and military to defend against a popular uprising overthrowing the government.
I’m not saying it can’t be done, but we’re still in the early stages of a popular uprising. That’s what these protests are about. This one on Saturday got, reportedly, ~5 million people on the streets at the same time. That’s ~1.5% of the country’s population. According to the International Center on Nonviolent Conflict, it takes ~3.5% of the population mass mobilizing at the same time to effect political change. That’s ~12 million people. That’s why this wasn’t a 1 and done protest. The next one is already scheduled for April 19. And there will be another after that. And another after that.
Let’s not just aim for 3.5%. Go higher. What can 5% of the country, 17 million people, do if we’re all out in the streets together? Rather than just complain that one single protest didn’t immediately result in widespread political change, why don’t you get out there and join us on the 19th? Bring your friends. Bring your family. Help make a change rather than just complaining that others aren’t doing it for you.
As it stands now leadership change in the US does not include the possibility of calling elections.
If Trump steps down, Vance takes over. If Vance also steps down, it’s Mike Johnson, then Chuck Grassley, Marco Rubio, and so on.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
For that to change, Congress would have to establish a new presidential succession process, which they could do. However, they won’t.
Very good, take large potato from bin.
Lol what is this pathetic attention seeking behavior?
Did you get the attention you wanted bby?
