Bachir Atallah you really thought you were white adjacent and one of the good ones?
Last time I was at the rainbow bridge (Niagara falls crossing) and stepped into the building, there was your typical cordoned aisles etc, but what struck me was the array of 6 large televisions, mounted above everyone’s heads, and POINTED DIRECTLY AT THE COUNTER WINDOWS blasting fox news at the people behind the desks! Put yourself in the shoes of the person working at that window. You have people coming up to you, looking for assistance, and immediately above their heads you are being blasted with fascist fox propaganda!
It’s fucking disgusting!
…also fuck this clown, he got exactly what he voted for and deserves much worse! “I nEvEr ThOuGhT tHe lEOpArDs WoUlD eAt mY FaCe”
Honestly I have received the same treatment for decades on different occasions. Mostly when I had long hair, I was detained so many times for no reason. Sometimes handcuffed, often illegally searched. They profile the fuck out of everyone, it’s been this way forever. I’m not saying it isn’t getting worse.
My family is traveling to Toronto in a little while and we decided to plan a short travel day on our return trip in case the border takes too long. My longest US border detainment was 4 hrs. Me and three friends had spent a few days camping in British Columbia in college. They searched everything, interviewed us all separately. That one was 30 years ago but I’ve had more recent events too
If you think this stuff is new you haven’t been paying attention. It’s why I’m a constitutional rights advocate now. No matter what party is in power, the government needs limits.
This is the point where he lost me
“I really thought things would change after this administration, when we have Mr. Trump in office, things would change to the better,” Atallah said. “Things actually changed to the worse.”
He voted for this. I have no sympathy for him.
Jesus Christ, how fucking dense do you have to be?
Glad you asked! The USA likes them at about 40-60 IQ. We find them more manageable as slave labour. Thank you for your interest in our country! Please fill out an application form available from anyone of the heavily armed police officers.
Same vibes
“I really thought things would change after this administration, when we have Mr. Trump in office, things would change to the better,” Atallah said. “Things actually changed to the worse.”
If only there had been signs.
I really wish I could read minds man. Its likely for the best I can’t.
I feel like there’s a large subset of people that will just believe anything if it’s said confidently.
on reddit someone said the stupid people(magats, conservatives), often are “stupidly confidant” because they are unaware that thier views and motives are wrong, so they assume they are in the right most of the time. even a Law school/MD can lack smarts in many areas, despite being book smart.
It’s Dunning-Kruger all the way down.
“The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim. An individual in a crowd is a grain of sand amid other grains of sand, which the wind stirs up at will.”
- Gustave Le Bon
Human nature unironically, not jokingly makes me want to kill myself.
MF has a black hole for a head, you’d never escape
Atallah is planning to leave for Lebanon in a few days, and he is not sure what will happen when he tries to return.
*raises one eyebrow* How strong a mental block can people have, that even after this experience returning from Canada, he’s “not sure what will happen” when he returns from Lebanon?
to el salavador actually.
“I really thought things would change after this administration, when we have Mr. Trump in office, things would change to the better,” Atallah said.
I really do not understand this mentality of minorities and especially muslim minorities. The turnip enacted travel bans that were blatantly racist and anti-muslim in his first term. That is just one example of his racism. Why the fuck would someone think he was the better option?
Then you really don’t understand that most immigrants (and especially Muslims) are actually hyper conservative, and their ideologies align quite nicely with dictators and fascists in general.
Religious doctrine, above all else, dictates that you must never question the authority of the faith. You think that people who dont think women should be allowed to drive (or even show their faces in public) would have a progressive attitude towards ANYTHING??
Most Latino countries are super Catholic, you think they have a problem with trump going after trans people? No, they cheer him on right up until the brown shirts come knocking on their own door, or, as in this case, they get detained at the border and subjected to illegal searches etc.
It’s really annoying no one asked follow up questions anyone. Such as, “What the fuck made you think that would be the case?”
Such as, “What the fuck made you think that would be the case?”
Unfortunately too many people are “sensitive” and don’t want to hear that type of speaking. Instead they’ll run full speed into the arms of a fascist.
I tried not to laugh. People really need to stop putting so much trust in to politicians, and those of us who are in oppressed groups (basically not rich, white, or cis man)… We need to stop thinking they’ll ever see us as equals, no matter how successful we are. They just don’t. Trump & company really think we are all as expendable and worthless as a plastic fork.
My son was talking to a Hispanic dude recently, asked him what he thinks of MAGA Hispanic people.
“Oh, we have a word for them. Pochos.”
It basically means “cultural traitor.” On par with “Uncle Tom.”
The term originally referred to fruit that was spoiled or rotten, as well as to plants and individuals that appeared to be in poor health.[1]
Very fitting
Bachir is a Lebanese Christian, based on the info in the article. Doesn’t exempt him from the racism, but it may explain why he thought the leopards wouldn’t eat his face.
Hijacking your comment to point out that my community, Lebanese Christians, typically tend to have a bootlicking problem. And an unparalleled superiority complex. Apparently Vance attended a Lebanese church the night of the US election and people were acting like the US, in a righteous turn of the wheel of history, will finally turn a page and become an undisputed force for good (it will protect Lebanon(‘s Christians, only) and stop exporting the sex and the trans)
I know what you’re thinking. Surely this jackass on Lemmy doesn’t think the shitheads around him can outdo American exceptionalism. Oh baby.
(In the following rant I’m banging out bits of mainstream political and sectarian thought in my ethnoreligious group. I’m not endorsing these horrible ideas. Not everyone is going to tick all of these boxes, but the point is to give an overview for those who care.)
The body of my comment
Y’know how you do a census in your country? Any country. You count the people so you know how to set policy. We don’t do that here. In 1932, the French colonial government counted the population. 50% Christian. 50% Muslim. Our Parliament is split by sect and not just by district, so that means I can only vote for my district’s Christian seats (technically the seats for my specific flavor of Christianity… yeah).
Since 1932, I’m sure you’ll be shocked to learn, demographics have changed. Christian areas, with their higher rates of education and income, have not seen the same birth rates as other areas. The Christian population can also emigrate more easily to countries with higher standards of living. The reasons why (and mechanics of) the disenfranchisement of other communities (especially Shia Muslim communities) are a whole thing and I won’t get into it now. But as it stands, the Muslim population has grown considerably since 1932. Let’s say it’s 60% (it’s more).
So it’s illegal to check, because it would “upset” the “correct” balance of power. And it’s not just politicians. The average Christian will not only tell you “we’re” artificially holding on to power, but that it’s critical to do so because the other guys can’t govern.
It’s late here and I had a long workday so I can’t bang out the full rant here. But there’s a lot of cultural nuance that might be hard to grasp for outsiders. Whiteness as a concept is a fascinating social phenomenon. In the mind of the very sharpest tools in the shed, it’s a classical Europeanness, a type of inherent ability to do civilization. Lebanese Christians, generally, see themselves in this lens. We are, in some way, mythical long-lost Europeans, being crabs-in-a-bucketed back into a miserable existence by our misguided cousins. We gave Europe Christianity, our sacred ancient treasure. We gave it its fucking name. Oh you Americans think you’re white? You diseased misceganated mongrel barbarian pagans? We are whiter than you. We are not Arabs, we are Phoenicians, we are the true authors of history and the true creators of commerce and writing and civilization and— (for further reading, I recommend looking into Phoenicianism and Lebanese Christian Nationalism. The former isn’t necessarily relevant on the surface, but is a good representation of the hyperexceptionalist worldview. I veered a bit into hyperbole, but I assure you, I’ve heard the kernel of all of these from people I expected better of)
I don’t believe this, I hope it doesn’t need saying. In my view, we are normal people. Lebanese Christians have been no kinder to the people around them than the others have been to them. Same shit, different toilet.
No, literally, different toilet. The Muslims all have bidets. As does my “self-hating” Christian ass (haha ass). God help me if I need to take a dump in a public bathroom in “my” parts of the country. Why don’t we adopt them? Well, it’s a Muslim thing, so even if it’s cleaner, we don’t do it. Because we’re actually the clean ones. And they are dirty. Not like us. Not like the protagonists of world history.
You need to induce vomiting? Open Twitter and search for “Shia” or “Shias”. Look at what people around me think is funny. Twitter is a cesspit and has become worse lately, but Lebanese hate speech has always been overlooked by moderation and has had a decade of head start over what more people are dealing with now. It’s worse when you understand that they don’t even really necessarily hate them for their religion, this is at least partially hatred of the poor, the people who “proper” society has given nothing for a century.
I’m going way, way, way off the rails here. I appreciate that one person’s rant about his own community’s bigotry doesn’t even begin to explain a two millennia of self-propagating Sisyphean sectarian violence. I can go for pages and pages but the point I’m making is
This guy didn’t just think the leopards wouldn’t eat his face. He thought, in a world of leopards and gazelles, that he is the strong ranger with a gun (and cool sunglasses. His name is Bachir after all). It didn’t even occur to him, not for a second, that any of this could touch him. He thought it could backfire on the dumb hicks, but he’s special. He knew fully well that the administration he voted for was made of despicable people. He’s not the “dumb” conservative who thinks they have values or principles. He knew and understood, explicitly, the oft-repeated concept that “conservatism” boils down to drawing laws around people A to put people B above said law. It’s not a secret to him. It’s what he believes in.
I’m still not sure I’m being clear.
Due to his background, I believe he absolutely knew that people were going to get fucked with arbitrarily. And he explicitly thought he was deeper into the ingroup than even the average member of the ingroup and that he was actually untouchable. There’s every chance he’s a bigger bigot than any klansman would even know how to be.
End rant. Everything is fine. Don’t look up the size of the US embassy being built in my country. Everything is totally normal.
Come back next week for my celebrated other classic rants such as
“The Town Priest Refuses to Pray for Palestine and that Really Pisses Me Off Even Though I’m Agnostic (But Don’t Tell The State That or I Won’t Be Able to Vote or Get Married)”, “QAnon in the Middle East: a Mind-Melting Primer”, “Our Priests Generally Don’t Diddle Kids (So We Imported One Who Does)”, and the fan-favorite “The Western Christian Persecution Narrative Complex as Understood Through the Lens of Eastern Christians’ Very Real History of Horrific Sectarian Violence: Syncretism, Life, Death, and The Jews™”.
Someone take away this keyboard from me before I write something so based the local mob will bury me alive for it.
I was in a community online ~10 years ago with someone who was trans and claimed to be Lebanese and voted for Trump. I asked her why and she said she hated Muslims. I pointed out that Mike Pence was famously homophobic in a homophobic party, and she straight-up told me she hated Muslims more than she wanted rights. I was astounded by that but what you say lines up, I guess. I wonder if she still feels that way.
Everyone has the right to remain stooopid
I’ll be here every week. Especially looking forward to that qanon one.
It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone’s fault. If it was Us, what did that make Me? After all, I’m one of Us. I must be. I’ve certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We’re always one of Us. It’s Them that do the bad things.
Sir Terry Pratchett hitting the nail on the head. This kind of mentality will be the death of us all, I fear.
Because many do not understand that to many wealthy white racists there’s no difference between a Saudi Royal and the black junkie on the street. As they see themselves as superior others must recognize the same and the reality is the white racists don’t see that difference.
It’s like people are just making up their own realities and then that is gospel because they think they can never be wrong. Idk, it’s fucked up
Let’s just hope this serves as a massive wake up call and fixes his brain’s ability for logical thoughts.
It won’t though, because if he thought having Trump in office again would change things for the better then he has zero critical thinking skills.
Where I am from we have a saying: “Hope dies last.”
I know there won’t be a change, I can still hope for that miracle to happen.
The idea that he’s not in the top 1% of legal/political scholars is painful. And since brains are great at avoiding pain…
By the time enough of the Leopard-voters come around to potentially make a difference, it will be far too late.
It was too late on November 6th.
“genocide joe”
Things did change. You now get arrested as a US citizen for crossing a border. What more change do you want?
Many people of Middle Eastern descent would categorize themselves as white, they see themselves as equals as the Anglo whites. Plus if they are conservatives, which many are, they are just as racist as white conservatives.
just like some hispanics think they are white.
Hey don’t blame Muslims for this. Trump was so unpopular he got 3rd place among Muslim voters. Those who voted for him have been ostracized by the community.
The guy isn’t even Muslim if the article is accurate
WDYM? Our Oligarchs are richer so obviously things are better, just not for us.
After nearly five hours, Bachir Atallah says he and his wife were released. They are now pursuing legal action.
“I really thought things would change after this administration, when we have Mr. Trump in office, things would change to the better,” Atallah said. “Things actually changed to the worse.”
Ahh yes, the consequences of your actions, on full display to the world. Enjoy your trip to Lebanon, Mr Atallah, I’m sure nothing will go wrong since you voted for trump.
Yeah, I was really sympathizing until I read that bit. Now I’m just disgusted. The actions of the CBP are beyond wrong. The illegal search and seizure in making him open his email is an absolute constitutional violation as is forcing him to sign a affidavit saying he did so willingly, which is even worse. The fact that he gave in would be stupid at any other time but the way this administration is disregarding the constitution and the courts and just throwing people out of the country without any due process is so dystopian I can hardly blame someone for giving in. But as it appears this moron voted for Trump, I don’t feel bad for him personally, I just feel bad for everyone who didn’t vote for that bastard who is going through the same treatment.
Bachir Atallah
Can’t imagine why they gave this fella a hard time…
Lmao another pick me getting their face eaten
love to see it 🤷🏿♂️
UGH! Trump NEVER said he Would go after SPECIFICALLY This Man! He SAID he would go After the Gays and
JewsHispanics! HONEST Mistake! STOP being Divisive LIBERAL COMMIETARDS!This seems like it must be therapeutic for you because it’s mildly therapeutic for me to read. Is it?
Trump voters.
Two in the thoughts, one on the prayers.
Always double tap
Why do these people agree to let these fascists comb thru their phones?
If you plan on crossing the us border, you should wipe your phone and log out of any accounts it has been setup to access. They can search your phone. There’s no “agree to let” here.
or use a burner phone, which are pretty cheap, you can buy a used one off many sites.
They don’t really give you a choice.
Austraia and the UK have similar laws to allow border police to search your electronic devices. In Australia they can clone your phone and keep a copy for as long as they want.
What’s bemusing to me is to read some local Aussie posters saying how fascist America has become, when Australia does the same and has for over a decade.
El Salvador.
Because it’s that or be denied entry. And then what do you do?
Wait, call a lawyer, start lawsuits. These two examples have been immigration lawyers. You cant violate confidentiality just because the govt asks.
This guy in the article was a lawyer, but not an immigration lawyer. His sister is an immigration lawyer, according to the article.
Is this actually true for full-on citizens tho?
AFAIK the current rules for citizens are:
If your phone has a biometric ID – face unlock, fingerprint unlock, etc. they can just force you to unlock it. If it has a password they can’t.
They can take your electronics and refuse to give them back. If your phone is locked with a password, they can’t force you to give them the password, but they’re allowed to keep it, and then use a tool to break into it, so they can search through everything on it. Eventually they have to return it, but there’s no requirement to do it quickly. Think months, not hours.
In theory, they’re not supposed to search your devices while they’re online, so they’re only searching whatever’s stored locally on the phone, but reports are that they don’t actually follow this rule.
The only thing that’s different for citizens is that they can’t refuse you entry into the country. You can still be forced to surrender your electronics, but you’re supposed to be allowed to proceed.
Now, that’s the “old way”. Those are the Biden-era rules, and they frequently bent or broke those rules. You can guess how much they’re bending and breaking the rules now that Trump will let them get away with anything.
I mean if this administration gave a shit about the rule of law or orders from a judge, then no it wouldn’t apply.
What happened to these people proves that being a citizen won’t necessarily save you.
Mostly depends on whether immigration agents believe you are a citizen.
Good point. I wouldn’t trust them not to simply shred your passport nowadays tbh
I’ve seen a few court cases that have said either: 1) you have no expectation of privacy at the border. Govt can do anything they want or 2) there’s no blanket permission to ransack phones - have to have cause or etc. I don’t think it’s been adjudicated up to the supreme court. Hopefully it won’t until a better set of judges gets appointed
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Yeah shit guess it’s one-way vacations for me now
I have an acquaintance who’s out of the country and I’m waiting to see if her and her wife get back without trouble
Her and her wife probably means, that they don’t.
