• melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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    28 days ago

    Hillary, Trump won because people were sick of the entrenched insiders like yourself. Your opinion means nothing.

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      27 days ago

      In part.

      It can’t go unacknowledged that bigotry was very involved in the outcome of 2016.

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    27 days ago

    Wow! What is all the hate. I agree that Hillery was not exactly personable but she was quite competent. Trump on the other hand, great at media and crowds but really pretty much incompetent otherwise. As far as I can tell the only thing he has done for working people is channel hate and rage which is authentic. If there are are concrete things feel free to list them.

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      27 days ago

      All the hate is that if the DNC hadn’t forced an unpopular candidate in 2016 maybe we wouldn’t be where we are now. Disliking Trump and HRC isn’t a binary choice.

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        27 days ago

        Thanks. I wonder though. The DNC has chosen a woman twice now. Sad if true but it is probably lot harder for a woman to win the general election. Hillary could not do it, and Kamala could not do it against frankly very flawed candidate.

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          27 days ago

          This is a common take and maybe it has merit, but I’m not convinced.

          Hillary had decades of propaganda to compete with, a general attitude is “it’s my turn” (political dynasties are bad) and made some major gaffes.

          Kamala was chosen without any voter input at all, was not popular as a primary candidate in 2020, ran on being “the top cop” in an environment where only the right likes cops, and lurched right to compete for the Republican base, completely betraying the base that voted for Biden. I was personally sick to my stomach listening to her praise Dick Cheney and parade around with Liz Cheney. (I voted for her anyway because what choice did I have). Harris was a weak Democrat candidate to begin with AND the campaign basically did everything wrong.

          Anyway, it’s possible that the US electorate won’t elect a woman for president out of sexism but I personally don’t think that’s what has happened because I don’t think a woman that also happens to be a good candidate that ran a good campaign has gotten past primaries.

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            27 days ago

            I suspect that basically a women has to be a lot better candidate say 10% or something better because she is going to loose a certain number of voters that would otherwise vote the ticket. These are not even all men that will not vote for a woman.

            I understand why a certain genre of white male might vote for Trump for example but it mystifies me how a woman or a person of color would.

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              It’s hard for you to understand because you’re more knowledgeable. A lot of people see Trump saying he’s going to make groceries cheaper and even though he’s completely full of shit at least he was acknowledging working class problems where the dems were not

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                27 days ago

                I talked with a Trump voter. They thought inflation was high. I said no, it is under 3% which is normal. They thought it was like 6%. They even looked it up and agreed. Then I asked them if they were better of now then 4 years go. They said yes. After all that I am sure they still voted for Trump.

                As far as numeric price, everyone should know that prices are sticky. They rarely drop but inflation can be controlled to the 2 to 3 percent range and they were by the summer of 2024.

                I agree with this about hearing people. Dems for some reason are not good at making people feel seen and heard. The other is making a personal and emotional connection which is roughly similar.

                • Pete Hahnloser@beehaw.orgOP
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                  27 days ago

                  There’s not a lot of mystery behind the Dems’ problems. They’re in the oligarchs’ pockets just as much as the GOP, just different oligarchs. This is why we’re seeing the sort of turnout at Sanders/AOC rallies that dwarfed campaign events in 2024 (and in prior cycles) pointing out where things have gone off the rails.

                  More than 99% of us know the government doesn’t work for us. This has been laid bare, and while some saw it far earlier, it’s now in everyone’s face. The flaccid response to Trump’s authoritarian moves it not winning them any voters, but I suppose the “we’re less bad” playbook is the only one their handlers will allow (see: bullshit getting Sanders out of the way in 2016).