Great post, drew out a couple of the most annoying kind of person on the internet so I could block them.
I prefer to tag them myself. Let’s be know their opinion is less than worthless and i can still dislike their stuff if i run across it in the wild.
I feel that the original quote “better a pig than a fascist” is more relevant and important these days than this take
Someone at studio Ghibli recently said something about gen ai, apparently. But yeah agreed.
Edit: I’ve come out from under my rock and news has reached my as to why this quote is relevant again. The original quote seems more fitting over the ai one now.
Someone
Miyazaki, co-founder and chairman of Ghibli Studio
I thought he came out against it years ago, didn’t know he said anything recent. Although it makes sense he wouldn’t stop talking about it these days especially.
nah, people are talking about what he said years ago. He didn’t say anything recently (or at least, not that I know of)
There’s a point I’ve heard that the kind of slop that gen AI can be used for is good for fascists, because they’re not trying to say anything or make it cohesive, they just want a glut of vague sentiments they’re agreeable to, and gen AI can give them that without having to deal with pesky artists who have thoughts of their own like, “what you want is bad, actually,” “maybe fuck you,” and “I will stab you in the eye with my pencil.”
I feel like all the people out there are mindless NPCs that just do anything a big corp say it’s cool. make me feel helpless
As someone who uses generative AI, I don’t use it out of some mindless obedience to corporations, but rather because it can massively reduce the work needed to perform certain tasks.
I think the fight against AI is a losing battle. Better to push for regulations in energy usage. (And no, I don’t give a fuck about artists’ intellectual property. I think intellectual property rights are holding humanity back in order to enrich a few artists who falsely and arrogantly believe themselves to be original thinkers, and who furthermore believe that being an original thinker gives them the right to prevent other people from spreading their ideas or thinking of the same thing.)
So, you think the need of artist to eat is a problem?
I mean, if anything an artist do it’s worlds patrimony then they will me above the rules of capitalism and don’t need to use money for food and tools, right?
I mean that will be the best solution, the artist will be able to do art and not content just to gain some bucks.
But no, the solution its a machine that generate content and take out the only weapon the artist have to being able to survive in this economy.
The original artist of this is AdiFitri
Did he paid studio ghibli for making a draw of their characters? Did he asked the authors of the character for permission for using its image?
Is not that how it’s supposed to work for anti-AI folks? Or is it “rules for thee but not for me”?
What the fuck are you talking about?
Hey, guess what! Your argument is so inane, even OpenAI is now convinced it was a really stupid idea too. But sure, go on pretending that freely available fan art by a single person is exactly the same as a paid service by a multi-billion dollar company.
I still stand by Generative AI being a useful tool. It’s just in the hands of big unilateral corporate tech rather than a public state, and artists depend on IP laws to gain profits to live, rather than being supported by a robust welfare state to provide art for a robust public domain.
Related, the post-WWII programs in England that fueled the Rock-&-Roll boom in the 1960s (with the invention and development of the electric guitar). Socialized art is a system that works well!
And yes, we’ll probably have to collapse the current civilization and rebuild it with mutant animals before we get there. < sad, disappointed existential dread face >
It’s just in the hands of big unilateral corporate tech rather than a public state, and artists depend on IP laws to gain profits to live, rather than being supported by a robust welfare state to provide art for a robust public domain.
The second situation is a fantasy until after we have a communist revolution. So, don’t defend gen AI until after we create communism.
Can anyone explain the context? Nad something happened recently?
The precipitating factor seems to Ghibli where some dude who draws for a living said ai drawing lacked soul, more or less. Then a bunch of people who very likely pirated the first guy’s movies leapt to his defense saying yeah only humans can make art because we are unique in our ability to duplicate information from our environment but with imagined changes. If an ai takes data from it’s environment, duplicates it and adapts it to it’s current need that’s stealing good solid union work.
Or something.
Soon it’s going to be an economic thing because if you can get “good enough” at 1/1000 the price after an up front fee…all those folks who do generic voice work (soldier #3) or art work in games are gonna be out of a job. Sadly it’s not enough of an industry to impact the broader economy so they will just be completely boned until automation finds a way to get rid of a much more significant fraction of the labor force. If we can get to great depression levels that might be enough.
Chatgpt got really good at generating images and a lot of more people are testing it and some people are salty about it.
No, some asshole generated a fake cease and desist letter from Ghibli to try to start some drama.
Even tried to act like some kind of genAI martyr ready to sacrifice himself for the good of AI…
First time I hear about that, meanwhile even my wife that is normiecore saw guides on how to use chatgpt to generate images on Instagram and asked me to install chatgpt in her phone.
What the fuck is normiecore?
And your wife isn’t creating anything using ChatGPT. It’s hallucinating with no actual intelligence or creativity that’s trained off actual creative works. If your wife wants to create art, then she needs to pick a medium and get practicing.
It’s like hardcore except not that, and also vaguely insulting towards their wife (or at least I’ve never seen anyone write the word “normie” without it being patronizing).
Bullying people who does no harm to anyone is cool now?
Many people use gen AI for completely innocuous tasks. And for many things that harm nobody. Still you take pleasure insulting and degrading Innocent people.
That’s not better than any other bully/oppresor.
Don’t act surprised when people stop helping and having solidarity with your fights when you have spent a decade insulting everyone around you.
You know, if you’re not good at art, you don’t have to be an artist. Not everyone needs to paint the mona lisa. You can just do something you’re good at instead.
There’s nothing wrong with making fun of someone for making a bad life choice.
Bullying people for things that they can’t change about themselves is different. That’s not cool
This level of insult is bullying.
And it’s not a bad life choice. Bad life choice is choosing to go online to insult a lot of innocent people in other to feed that bad human in your heart.
These latest years “”““left leaning””" spaces have been feeling more like right wing echo chambers of hate and bigotry towards more and more and more people.
Mark my words, this will have consequences, and some people may ask in a couple of years how is it that no one came for help when they need it. And they shall remember that the blatantly insulted those they will be asking for help and that people just got sick of them.
At least it’s what’s happening to me. There are many places I won’t show up for helping, that I would have helped in the past. But I cannot stand next to people who have show me that they have the heart as full of hate as the alt-right. We will most likely end up forming our own spaces I suppose.
This is the most ridiculously performative speech i’ve seen in a while, and i live on friggin tumblr
Mark my words, this will have consequences, and some people may ask in a couple of years how is it that no one came for help when they need it. And they shall remember that the blatantly insulted those they will be asking for help and that people just got sick of them.
These comments just make me sad, because I have a feeling you are not talking specifically about artists mad at AI art when you say ‘some people’. You are letting the voices of a few people convince you to abadon the silence of a majority. And in this current political world, that could result in a lot of people who see eye to eye with you being punished.
It makes me sad too. But the amount of people who just push hate speech for every little thing in left leaning spaces nowadays is too big.
In this case the little thing is just insulting people using an AI tool (not even the big bussiness they are insulting the PEOPLE). But I’ve seen it more and more with a lot of different examples in the latest years. Another big instance is militant veganism, I’m sick of being called a rapist and a genocidal guy equivalent to Hitler for just eating meat, so they are alone until they got their shit together and start calling out the bigots in their spaces.
And like those two each year that passes there’s something new you have to blindly follow the lead or be insulted for doing nothing wrong. It feels like in the left community things are not open to debate anymore, and any dissidence of though is quickly punished. It’s almost ironic that the place for diversity does not feel like any diverse thinking is allowed anymore.
This AI thing have not even be debated anywhere, some people decided that it’s bad and that’s it. No further arguments are allowed, and it’s free season for hunting and insulting the PEOPLE that even dares to use a tool that’s everywhere to use right now.
I know is a vocal minority, and that’s the vocal minority I want to leave out, and I hope we can build spaces where this hateful people are called out. Because right now in the community spaces we have these people are not being called out, quite the contrary they are prone to reach positions of power and take hold of the communities, most probably because people prone to violence and conflict are far more likely to fight and achieve for positions of power. While peaceful people tend to get away from such conflicts.
I’m not particularly worried about losing the “likes generative AI” demographic, especially if they’re not going to support more important movements because their poor choices are being mocked.
Glad you are ok with it. Because that’s what will happen. And you may not notice in the echo chamber but an big chunk of the population just uses generative AI for a lot of different purposes. And does not share your views about it. People is diverse, and that includes diverse opinions on copyright/copyleft morality.
And you will eventually lose everyone who is not exactly like you, because “you don’t care”. And then you’ll be alone.
And when they come for you, and you are alone you will post this comic strip of “first they came for…” And blame on others that you are alone and no one show up to stop them from taking you.
Gen. A.I. user and absolutely unashamed for it O7
Pick it up yourself
They aren’t the one pretending to create art
Exactly. That’s the problem. You should be.
No.
Artists who oppose AI shouldn’t be allowed to use calculators.
They don’t get to shit on anyone bad at art, while they can’t do basic math without technological help.
Perfect analogy for someone who knows nothing about art or math
People can do math without calculators; holy stupid.
Everyone can do complex math by hand?
lol how much complex math are people using day to day? You know what functions are on a basic calculator right?
Once again, stupid.
Calculators don’t need heaps of power to run. Calculators are not trained on the copyrighted works of artists. And that’s only the start of the issues with your argument.
What a shit take.
Bruh just because you don’t like one technology doesn’t mean you don’t have to stop using another. Like not all programmers have to like OOP languages and they are still allowed to use whatever they like
