So a while back I threw Ubuntu 22 LTS on an old Surface Pro 3 and gave it to my Dad.

He loves it, but he’s the type who’s been burnt by updating software in the past, so he basically refuses any whenever prompted.

Been thinking about throwing Debian with Gnome on it for a while, and wondering if it’s stable enough to just let updates happen automatically in the background?

I got no experience with Debian I basically jumped right on EndeavourOS as my main distro when I started using Linux full time.

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    29 days ago

    I sympathise with your Dad - everyone’s had updates go bad, and it’s easy to assume the “don’t fix what ain’t broke” mantra. But to do so is being willfully ignorant of basic computer security. And to be fair, Debian-stable is one of the least troublesome things to just let automatically update.

    Debian and Ubuntu have the unattended-upgrades package which is designed to take a lot of the sting out of automatic updating. I’d recommend setting that up and you won’t have to touch it again.

    There’s also the crontab way - “apt-get update && apt-get upgrade” at frequencies that suit you. (A check for reboot afterwards is a good idea).

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        29 days ago

        Good call, thanks, although I just use -y normally.

        Not a personal fan of flatpacks - I tend to stick to distro packages, but each to their own.

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    29 days ago

    I’m a debian-er at heart, as much as I’d praise it (and have, in other thread in this post), there’s one issue that might be relevant. Almost all of this has been with Debian 10 and 11, I think it’s been improved in 12, though, but I’m not sure.

    See, I have sister to whom I gave laptop with Debian & Xfce. And created normal (non-admin, non-sudo) users for her as well as both of her kids. Now when they login, NetworkManager will refuse to let them use Wi-fi connection, and require them to choose a different (admin) account and type its password.

    Unfortunately although I’ve been seeing this issue for years now, I never had an opportunity to test it properly, since it always seems to happen to non-admin users only. Also I’m not sure if NM can properly manage connections if a non-admin user creates it – will it let other non-admin define the same connection? And I spend 99% time on a desktop (mini-pc) with ETH connection, being sudoer, and no Xfce, so I never get to “enjoy” any of these.

    (This is also particularly ironic because I always set up wireguard and tell them “if you have any problem, just call me, I can fix it remotely” – and then literally the only problem they ever have is the one I can NOT fix remotely. 😆 )

    Also sometimes after login the system will bug them with “unlocking keychain” dialog which can’t be closed, but that could be just side effect of the NM issue and/or just Xfce thing.

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      28 days ago

      I’ve used Debian for years on my personal machines and have never had this problem. According to Debian’s documentation for NetworkManager, a user account must be in the netdev group in order to manage system-wide network connections. The initial user account that the Debian installer creates for you is in this group by default, but maybe the accounts you created for your family members aren’t?

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        28 days ago

        I can’t verify it now or any time soon, but you might be right.

        Thanks for the pointer!

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    28 days ago

    I’ve been running Debian stable on my decade-old desktop for about 3 years, and on my ideapad that’s just as old for about 5. During that time I had an update break something only once, and it was the Nvidia driver what did it. A patch was released within a three days.

    Debian epitomizes OS transparency for me. Sure, I can still customize the hell out of it and turn it into a frankenix machine, but if I don’t want to, I can be blissfully unaware of how my OS works, and focus only on important computing tasks (like mindlessly scrolling lemmy at 2 am).

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    24 days ago

    Fedora Silverblue downloads new OS versions in the background and boots the newest version after a reboot. I use this for older family member who’s been traumatised by Windows updates. I have also turned off notificantions that show up after a new boot with a fresh version.

    The same goes for Flatpaks. Just updates without make a fuzz.

    Its nice to give old people some peace of mind regarding their computing needs!

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    1 month ago

    Debian is the first choice if you look for stability and the last choice if you are looking for the latest versions of the software.

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    29 days ago

    I think Debian with KDE would be better, at least for the current stable as KDE’s LTS release aligns better with Debian’s. I personally like the feel better, especially coming from Windows.

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      29 days ago

      I am a KDE enjoyer and use it on my own desktop. But Gnome works really well for touchscreen devices and my dad has already gotten used to it so.

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    30 days ago

    Speaking of which, Debian users, how safe are distribution upgrades?

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      30 days ago

      I just migrated a bunch of servers to Bookworm.
      That was the first time ever I had any issues. There was a dependency loop that kept some packages from finishing installation.
      Simply running apt dist-upgrade a second time fixed it.

      That being said, don’t just point your sources.list to the new version and dist-upgrade. It usually works, but for a production system, always read the guide and follow the steps that are relevant for you:
      https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html

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    30 days ago

    I’ve been running Debian stable with unattended-upgrades on servers for years and have had no issues whatsoever.