Hello World,
following feedback we have received in the last few days, both from users and moderators, we are making some changes to clarify our ToS.
Before we get to the changes, we want to remind everyone that we are not a (US) free speech instance. We are not located in US, which means different laws apply. As written in our ToS, we’re primarily subject to Dutch, Finnish and German laws. Additionally, it is our discretion to further limit discussion that we don’t consider tolerable. There are plenty other websites out there hosted in US and promoting free speech on their platform. You should be aware that even free speech in US does not cover true threats of violence.
Having said that, we have seen a lot of comments removed referring to our ToS, which were not explicitly intended to be covered by our ToS. After discussion with some of our moderators we have determined there to be both an issue with the ambiguity of our ToS to some extent, but also lack of clarity on what we expect from our moderators.
We want to clarify that, when moderators believe certain parts of our ToS do not appropriately cover a specific situation, they are welcome to bring these issues up with our admin team for review, escalating the issue without taking action themselves when in doubt. We also allow for moderator discretion in a lot of cases, as we generally don’t review each individual report or moderator action unless they’re specifically brought to admin attention. This also means that content that may be permitted by ToS can at the same time be violating community rules and therefore result in moderator action. We have added a new section to our ToS to clarify what we expect from moderators.
We are generally aiming to avoid content organizing, glorifying or suggesting to harm people or animals, but we are limiting the scope of our ToS to build the minimum framework inside which we all can have discussions, leaving a broader area for moderators to decide what is and isn’t allowed in the communities they oversee. We trust the moderators judgement and in cases where we see a gross disagreement between moderatos and admins’ criteria we can have a conversation and reach an agreement, as in many cases the decision is case-specific and context matters.
We have previously asked moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification when this was suggested in context of murder or other violent crimes. Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
As always, if you stumble across content that appears to be violating our site or community rules, please use Lemmys report functionality. Especially when threads are very active, moderators will not be able to go through every single comment for review. Reporting content and providing accurate reasons for reports will help moderators deal with problematic content in a reasonable amount of time.
I’ll never understand this bizarre stance people have where corporate billionaires, millionaires and shit get a magical pass from the people. These scum, influence and infect countless of lives by one swift decision that could happen in a minute to even the next day. They are operating on an entirely different level than anyone else’s and the only other people that can understand them - are other millionaires and billionaires.
So what if one piece of shit CEO gets gunned down? I wish it’d happen more often, it’d send an empowering message. Trump could’ve gotten gunned down and that would’ve been the same level. I wouldn’t weep.
People forget these things until they hear the stories of their friends, their family, their friends’ family .etc all are struggling, suffering and on the edge of their lives simply because of one way or another - the fault of these entitled and rich shitbags.
I’m not excusing or condoning the actions any murderer takes. Life is taken of another life. But I will make exceptions to the rule and the gunning of this CEO is one of them.
Exactly that. And anyone shutting down the conversation is just siding with them.
I excuse this guy’s actions and hope it’s not just a one-time target. Shit has to change. Let’s trade in a few hundred for a few million saved.
Look, I excuse this guy action, and I’ll never shed 1/10th of a tear for the CEO And I’m rooting for smiling man to not get caught. But in Europe, we gave this prohibition about calls for hatred and murder. It’s culturally strong. Notice that it didn’t prevent us from guillotining a king or two. Anyway, give lemmy.world admins a break. There are laws they’re meant to comply to and we’re a vast fediverse. Better keep your anger for our actual enemies.
I left the instance because one of the mods was defending the decision to remove people discussing the Adjuster and said it was for God to judge.
I drew the line personally at someone using their religion to justify moderation.
“Only god can judge you. BTW, I’m judging and removing your comments.”
That comment was exactly why i moved to dby0. That shit was gross.
Adjuster is a class in an MMORPG I assume?
No, that’s what people online are calling the guy who shot the CEO.
How can I be angry when they silence my anger and allow them to continue profiting on the suffering of others?
If I understood correctly, they’re not silencing your anger. They’re complying with the “no call for the murder of a specific person”, and limited apology of murder, which is a common norm in Europe. You’re very welcome to shout that CEO are parasites and we know what do to with parasites.
This, for example, does not violate the TOS, as far as I’m aware.
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This is how they keep us in line.
Funny, because these laws are based in large parts on normal citizens being attacked and called to be murdered, and hence laws were passed to make such things illegal. Sadly, and this might surprise you, underneath the CEO reptiloid skin is a human body, and hence they are subject to those very same laws.
It’s also important to keep in mind that you need to be more specific in your calls: CEO is a title that even people in smallest companis can have. We all intuitively know that we mean the bad shitheads when we say “CEO” in disgust, but there are small people CEOs that would not want to be called on to be murdered just because we think ACAB (All CEOs Are Bastards). Likewise even billionaires - if very rarely and naturally you don’t hear about that since they keep a low profile - can have positive effects, like the couple that had a big hand in how reforestation in Scotland has actually succeeded far faster than any other country has managed, simply by being up all the land from the private owners in one giant swoop. Are billionaires worth keeping around, conceptually? No, but maybe these come last? 🤷
Not the point of the admin post up top, mind you. As so often, if you’re an adminsitrator, it really does not matter fuck all what you think about an issue, it’s what your server wants to, can or has to think about an issue.