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  • aubertlone@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    I think I’m just trying to convince myself…

    But it’s not over yet. Lots of votes to be counted still

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      8 days ago

      Don’t give yourself false hope on the Presidential. It’s terribly unlikely.

      Our best hope is the house stays blue and they can be a roadblock for the next two years until the midterms, which is likely what happens.

      It’s going to be a tiring two years until midterms and four years until we can get rid of him. We’re going to have to fight tooth and nail to keep our rights and freedoms, but we can do it. I can only hope America wakes up once again from the nightmare.

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        8 days ago

        I mean, there’s also hope, however slim, that Biden and Harris say “Fuck no, Trump will not be president again” and exercise some raw power to keep Trump out, or for Harris to engage in the same kind of legal fuckery Trump did. But, of course, Democrats are spineless by nature so neither of those things going to happen in all likelyhood.

        E: forgot a space

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          I’m physically ill by this result, but this isn’t an option. You can’t save democracy by discarding democracy.

          Trump could do it because he’s a fascist - he wants to discard democracy. A healthy system would have checked him not just then, but barred him from running again. We haven’t had a healthy system in a long time.

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            8 days ago

            This is a pretty naive take. The remaining dregs that passed for democracy here were extinguished a few hours ago. There’s nothing even resembling a democracy left here. The only elections we’ll have now will be show elections, if even that. Therefore, definitionally, we can no longer save democracy through democracy.

            But if I’m being honest saving democracy in the US isn’t really all that high up on my list of priorities at this point. We’re facing down an exacerbated Gaza genocide, another in Ukraine, then Moldova, and domestically, the genocide LGBT people in general, and trans women in particular. Not to mention the inevitable murder of Trump’s political opponents and journalists critical of his regime. We’re pretty firmly into the “any means necessary” zone.

            E: minor word choice change to reduce repetition.

            E2: Fix typos and spelling errors

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              Look I’m desperate for some cope right now, but the best the left has ever been was in resisting Trump in the streets from 2016 to 2020.

              The issue was that after four tiring years of struggle, we handed responsibility over to the electoral process. And as is tradition, the Democrats fucking blew it.

              Build back better? what a fucking joke. Pass literally any bill that makes a material impact to people’s lives and this election result doesn’t happen.

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                Yeah leftists really aren’t going to help here. There will never be a leftist revolution in the US. Hell I doubt there’ll ever be a serious leftist political movement at all. The only remaining hope I have is that the democrats will decide that preventing Trump is more important than high-roadism. But even that is an exceedingly slim hope.

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                  I mean, maybe if Harris would have appealed to the left, we would be having a different conversation today. Biden making in roads to the left out him over the top in 2020; Harris blew those bridges up in 2024 to campaign with Liz Cheney.

                  There is a real left movement in this country that started at occupy Wall Street and has been here ever since. It’s not big, but it’s sufficient to make important differences here and there. BLM/ antifacsism/ progressivism, all threads of the same strand.

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                    8 days ago

                    I guess you’re probably right, but honestly I’m not sure I can put my faith in a group that can’t even hold their nose over an elementary application of the trolley problem.