And I’m being serious. I feel like there might be an argument there, I just don’t understand it. Can someone please “steelman” that argument for me?

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    I know people who voted neither candidate because Trump was horrible and Harris was pro-choice. Single-issue voters are the death of democracy. Full stop.

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      I said months ago that we were going to “single issue” our way to Trump 2.0, and I’ve never ever wanted to be wrong more than when I said that.

      Edit: Updated with receipts.

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        nearly all the single-issue voters on the right vote in lock-step unison, and have for decades.

        democrats and progressives seem to just toss in the towel if they aren’t getting everything they want, right now.

        it takes time to build something great, it takes but a moment to destroy it all. welcome to total destruction.

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    Because the standard for Democrats is perfectionism, but the standard for Republicans is “That’s just Trump being Trump.”

    In other words, they didn’t think it through, they got suckered by propaganda.

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      the standard for democrats is hypocrisy & ignorance same as the republicans. keep mocking genocide, egg prices

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      wtf ? what kind of education you got to think that genocide should be non-issue for voters ?

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    You should make a Twitter account and follow some channels posting the war crimes committed by Israel. Be sure to watch some gore. A beheaded baby every day with their guts flowing out.

    You will understand very quickly if you leave the echo chamber and see what the word genocide really means. Only a monster can justify it.

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      Right, because Harris supports genocide. Where did she say that? I’d just like to read it for myself.

      Oh, she didn’t say that? She must have said that Israel should be allowed to continue military operations unchecked.

      She didn’t?

      She must be supporting the use of American forces over there.

      No?

      She must be helping to funnel weapons then.

      No?

      …so what exactly is she doing to support genocide? Oh, I remember. She keeps going over there to disembowel the babies herself when she has spare time.

      We already know Trump thinks that Israel should be free to invade everyone over there, and intends to deport Palestinians who don’t already have permanent residency…

      Help me understand why Harris is the bad choice here.

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    I was born and raised Jewish, going to Hebrew school in addition to English school from preschool to 14. The horrors of the Holocaust and all it’s trauma was shoved down my throat at far too young of an age to be appropriate. Never again means so much to me, one of my deepest held beliefs. Never again isn’t just Jews but any group hunted down for their ethnicity (not to mention all the other undesirables murdered in the Holocaust, such as the disabled and queer).

    What’s going on in Gaza is a Holocaust. I can’t live with myself and sleep at night if I vote for trump or Harris, because materially for Gaza they are the same. I voted third party. In 2020 I held my nose and voted for biden. I’m disgusted with myself for doing so. He managed to be worse than I could ever imagine. And the liberals were out to fucking brunch for the past four years.

    I will drink liberal tears all damn day long. They can whine and cry and carry on like entitled spoiled rotten children all they want. They were warned that they would lose if they continued to pursue the path they were on and that’s exactly what happened and I have zero remorse for it. And for the record, I’m a visibly queer woman who’s experienced a lot of physical violence in my life for being queer.

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    Morals and ethics are subjective and based on emotions. That’s why science doesn’t say what’s good or bad. I don’t think you can prove or disprove this argument. People who are strongly focused on Gaza simply reject views that challenge their own.

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    They believe it because that’s what people have been told to believe.

    It should be glaringly obvious that trump’s implied policy that he will let Israel “finish the job” is far worse than the dems poor attempts at negotiating cease-fires or any other moderation on Israel’s aggression.

    All the propaganda has focused on the democrat (in)action regarding Israel. Zero on trump’s plans.

    That’s what the propaganda machine has been pushing.

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      what moderation ? biden literally told everyone that ukraine is not even getting a paperclip unless we give israel 20 billion as well. he continued saying israel has unconditional support while we were getting footage of pregnant women & kids getting shot at by idf or burning alive in hospital from use of incendiary shells. then harris repeated the same statement on live tv. all this while the working class has been struggling to survive, layoffs everywhere, and price of everything getting doubled.

      its not something that can be washed with but that guy will do worse. you can look otherway but dnc basically threatened their voters base with more genocide if not elected. the fact we are even fighting over this instead mass protesting for biden and his administration to be prosecuted shows just how hollow & pathetic the dnc base has become.

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        There you go again.

        Dems bad, who cares if trump is worse.

        Well, you’ll get what you wanted when Israel finishes off Gaza and everything else, or starts WWIII when they can’t keep the bombs inside their extermination camp.

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          yes the 15 millions or so didn’t care that trump is worse because dnc has become bad enough and its not just the genocide in gaza. threatening people make them do irrational things, specially true for us americans.

          there is solid basis that harris would have done nothing to reign netanyahu same as trump. she had accepted even larger donation from aipac than biden who was basically emptying our emergency stockpile faster than we can replenish. if anything there’s chance that trumps narcissism clashes with that stooge and he actually does something good for gaza out of his ego.

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    Non voters are just as responsible for the loss of democracy. They are not a single bit better than any MAGA even if they like to claim they are. They chose fascism over democracy

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      What’s worse is they’re now acting like they got one over on the Democratic party like “ha, stupid Democratic party. I bet they won’t learn”. Like what? You played YOURSELVES, you’re the ones who are gonna suffer. You fucked yourselves over just to spite Harris? Wtf??

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        Yeah, I have so many discussion with non voters who sre fucking stupif. “But but Gaza!!” completely ignoring how Trump was escalating the conflict when he was in power and how he praised Netanyahu for his handling of it. If the think the dems are bad for Gaza they have not paid attention to republicans.

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        It did. It was just a flawed democracy. Now it will be full on fascism. So instead of hope it will get better one day it has gone the worst possible outcome and will not get better until the entire country looks like Berlin '45

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    Intresting that we have 20+ different opinions and answers on this post alone, and many are subjectively right.

    My answer would be that Kamala is just another pro-genocide lying ghoul who is bought by lobbyists from different sectors who don’t represent the left or working class. Trump is at least honest about being a bought pro-genocide ghoul, and that you can look at in the eyes and fight and protest against unlike genocide joe who still until this morning supports Israel with every war crime imagineable while letting Blinken and miller play mental gymnastics in hypocracy in confrences that “they’re trying their best” to end the “war” while sending $25+ billions in military weapons to an ethnostate genocidal aparthied.
    With that given,

    1- It’s more exausting and fruitless to fight a murderous war criminal who keeps lying than one is honest about what they want. We just want a clear enemy and be aware of it because we have been fighting a hidden enemy all this time.

    2- In short it’s the “let it all burn down” logic. You saw that viral clip of Kamala voter shouting at a kid “I don’t give a fuck about Gaza bitch!” ?
    Emotions and psychology dictate that if I was unrepresented working class, or considered a single-issue voter because of genocide, or an Arab American whose family getting slaughtered by my government and with my tax money, then I wouldn’t to want help other issues and would want to see everyone suffers more on all other issues because Kamala would not change anything and probably help improve all other issues other than mine which in my and every fair and just reality is more important than all others.
    It’s because the alternative is to suffer a slower and longer painful death while no one changing anything anyway.