finally, a tolerable use of POV.

arg. had this discussion about how Canada voted it down a few years back also because “too confusing.”

like, maybe there were too many options but I knew we needed to pick any of them instead of keeping the same bullshit system that has always required lesser of evil voting.

arg. people are so fickle and ignorant.

you’re right. it was decided on fear of immigrants, economic ignorance and selfish individualism.

lol, who’s the one who refuses to open their mind? you admit you only know a little bit on the topic but have argued against multiple people who clearly have greater experience and understanding. everyone in the thread who disagreed with you and commented was met with such a cliche double down. it’s just so painfully obvious and typical.

it doesn’t matter if you believe us or not. we still know that it’s a nonsense issue to latch onto for a presidential campaign and a piss poor reason to promote an unhinged candidate. personally I’m much more interested in wealth inequality, the massively growing homeless population, corporate greed, preventing further genocide and other such actual important issues that are causing real human suffering right now. fuck off about open source being relevant as a remotely important issue worth choosing a candidate over.

I remember doing this when I was young, stupid and unable to admit I might be wrong. you really make it seem like you’re doing that same thing. I do hope one day you look back at yourself and shake your head in embarrassment. that’s what I do when I think about how I used to argue like this with people who actually knew what they were talking about.

you have absolutely no idea what I stand for. I’m a strong supporter of open source. but of all the real and significant problems in the world this is an abysmal issue to focus on for a presidential candidate. and frankly it’s a pathetic hill to choose to die on. try putting some energy into issues that could actually cause meaningful improvement to the problems we are facing instead of getting suckered into debating a topic about which you know VERY little.

well I am a senior software developer so… again definitely an expert in this field. what credentials do you have?

it’s not a challenge. it’s just dumb and enough smart people know better than to waste their time doing something useless.

wait it doesn’t matter who looks? hmmm ok you’re trolling. oops I did it again.

“we” ? who do you think is going to be doing the looking? it sure as hell wouldn’t be you because you clearly don’t know shit about fuck.

I get that you really think you’re onto something here. you’re not. it’s never going to happen and it wouldn’t effect any meaningful change for society if it did.

ya got duped by a politician’s campaign-speak. let it go.

If users give an app permission (which they always do if they want to use it), please enlighten me on what data you think an app collects that is more than it should?

Are you daft? Yes. We know what they are doing. Apps inherently have access to a lot of user data. It’s not about trust in the code, it’s about trust in the company. No amount of looking at TikTok’s source code changes what the company may or may not do with all that data it is absolutely collecting.

If you examine the source code of all popular apps you will find that they all collect and send home as much user data as the user has permitted, which is usually a lot. This information accomplishes nothing. The reason that some apps should be banned is because of what the company does with that data and how it doesn’t comply with laws from the banning country.

This all stems from a useless talking point made by a politician which sounds great but doesn’t actually accomplish anything. Feel free to keep arguing, but at this point you’re basically just telling me that the internet is a series of tubes.

you’ve strayed from your original argument. the context is that you’re supporting a lunatic because he thinks that looking at source code is somehow better than banning foreign apps outright. we already know what these apps are doing and source code doesn’t give any further insight.

ok buddy. you’re basically just spouting tech terms like you have any clue. the evidence that you have absolutely none is your insistence in arguing with an expert in their field. you can’t get any more dunning Kruger than this.

good job being a textbook example of one of the world’s biggest problems: dummies thinking they know better than actual experts.

apps can’t use hardware features without requesting permissions. it’s a security measure that both iOS and Android enforce. I know this because I develop apps. you don’t have to look at the source code for this.

time to stop arguing with an expert on the matter. you really just don’t know what you’re talking about.

Pretty much any social media app has enough data to spy on users. The issue is what the company does with the data that it can and does gather. Foreign companies have no obligations to American laws. Looking at the source code of an app doesn’t change anything since they all gather data and they all send that data to their servers.

well, stupid is thinking that the source code of an app means anything when all the data goes to their servers and they can and will do whatever they want with it there.