Yeah, I’ve already seen the name “Gavin Newsom” floated around for 2028.

DNC doesn’t learn.

It was very convenient that the deadline was after the elections.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/12/politics/mike-huckabee-israel/index.html

That last paragraph. Ouch.

Don’t know what to tell you. I’m expressing my opinion on how I personally see them, which is an entity that is openly hostile to the American public.

People voting for them doesn’t negate this. It only means that people vote against their own self-interests, which is nothing new as we’ve seen time and time again.

That doesn’t change my opinion. That alliance is to the U.S. government, not to the U.S. people. I consider them to be a hostile entity.

The failure rate may be considered unacceptably high for some people, hence 4B.

With Israel’s mask off, other nations need to start allowing these protesters so long as they don’t actually turn violent.

We don’t need to pretend that Israel is the “good guys” anymore; they’ve straight-up told us told us that they aren’t.

The birth rate over 30 is probably lower, and putting a deadline forces you into a FOMO situation.

I’ve a heard a similar theory explaining why some (U.S.) Republicans want to ban fertility treatments: FOMO to have kids younger because you might not be able to later.

I personally think this will not work out the way they plan it to, bu there is a twisted train of thought behind it.

Can we finally stop pretending that Israel is an “ally.” I consider the state of Israel to be an enemy to the general American public.

The good news is that since sterilization is a one-time thing, medical tourism (for those with the means) becomes a viable option. I don’t see them banning international travel.

Of course this does increase the barrier and will be out of reach for those who can least afford to have children.

So this is where we are now? All men wanted this? All men voted for this?

It’s not about punishment. It’s about practicality given the circumstances.

I did not vote for this either, but it would be foolish to not acknowledge that sex will become far riskier for women if they do not have access to abortion and contraceptives.

The preceding commenter’s response wasn’t vile or hateful. It was a very matter-of-fact presentation of the situation that we (as a society) are facing.

The American version need not be TERF though. It is not an inherent part of what 4B actually entails and is extraneous to the purpose of 4B.

It’s also puts people who don’t want to have kids at all in a tough spot. It makes surgical sterilization effectively mandatory.

I support the 4b movement in theory but when I tried to join I was told I couldn’t, because I’m married to a man.

This is why, when I mention 4B in more general contexts I also talk about “birthstriking”. My partner supports 4B as an ally but isn’t a participant because she isn’t going to leave me to make a statement. I also consider myself to be an ally of the movement, even though I’m a hetero man in a relationship with a woman. I’m a loudmouth far left / socialist. And I’ve also had a vasectomy to at least keep that 4th “B” out of the equation.

We live in a blue stronghold state that protects women’s rights, but if things get clamped down here we may decide to take additional precautions.

Part of 4B is to avoid pregnancy, especially in an environment that has banned abortions and restricted contraceptives (e.g. Project 2025).

The point of 4B isn’t to “own” anyone. It’s to avoid exploitative relationships and pregnancy. Abortion bans and restrictions on contraceptives, as proposed in Project 2025, increase the risks of having sex.

MGTOW is a legitimate thing on its own and doesn’t have anything inherently wrong with it. Unfortunately it has been mostly co-opted by misogynists. The “movement” (if we want to call it that) has been tainted by these bad actors.

Yeah, tech is going to further entrench those in power and further the divide between them and everyone else. We are headed towards a very dystopian future.

Apply this protest over generational periods of time, we end up in a world with way more people from the population that didn’t choose to abstain from procreation

The alternative is to try and outbreed them. Given that we’re running headlong towards climate change and ever-increasing environmental toxins, this is not a winning play. I’m willing to step back and opt out of this reproductive arms race.

They can fucking have it