• WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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    I think there’s another narrative that just assumes Trump will be significantly different from what Kamala would have been.

    What can Trump do that Biden/Kamala haven’t already? Much is being made about Trump sitting by while Netanyahu annexes large chunks of the West Bank. But that’s already been happening.

    There has been much made about Trump potentially allowing Israel to annex parts of Gaza. But Biden has sat back and let Israel completely ethnically cleanse northern Gaza. If Biden/Trump didn’t lift a finger to stop an ethnic cleansing, what makes you think they would do anything when Israel files some paperwork to formally annex land? Hundreds of thousands of people area dead. I’m sorry, but compared to that, a little paperwork to formally take territory is a minor crime indeed.

    War with Iran? Israel doesn’t want a war with Iran. They’ve been playing a careful tit-for-tat game with Tehran, trying to save face while avoiding an all-out war. And there’s little evidence Trump would get the US involved if a full war did start.

    I mean really, what exactly do you expect Trump to do that Biden/Harris already haven’t? They’ve given Israel a complete blank check. I think we tend to just assume because he’s overtly racist against Muslims that he is going to be worse for the Palestinians. Yes, Biden and Harris aren’t overtly racist against the Muslims. But in terms of their actual actions, I can’t think of anything Trump can do that they already haven’t.

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      People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!

      If Biden set any form of red line, or at least Blinken wasn’t bluntly lying everytime he goes there or the US didn’t Veto UN resolutions to “allow aid” maybe we can argue the dem would be better but as stand nothing will change.

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        People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!

        First of all, it will be far more than 2 million people.

        But also, yes! Fucking yes, of course it is worse! What?!? Are you fucking joking??

        Holy shit people are delusional. You don’t get to just say “well, we can’t know if a Democrat would be different,” and absolve yourself from your responsibility in this. When will be the point where you realize (yet I’m sure continue to refuse to admit in an attempt to preserve your own sanity perhaps)? Will it be when they annex the West Bank (like immediately after 1/20, they’re already talking about it)? Will it be when the slaughtering of Palestinians gets kicked into high gear, and the real elimination begins?

        You will live with the results of your actions (or inaction). There will be a point, and it won’t take long, where nobody who is honest with themselves will be able to claim that we can’t know if Kamala would be better or worse.

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          Spot the person who is not watching news!

          Will it be when they annex the West Bank Read history and check some UN document, illegal building of housing for Israeli has been going on for decades supported by Tax money from western countries. They literary conduct raid, steal farm land, abduct and prison youth for the last few decade! They are not waiting for Trump to do that!

          Will it be when the slaughtering of Palestinians gets kicked into high gear, and the real elimination begins

          Are you high ? Famine + 70% women and children of estimated 200,000 people have been going on for a year, do you think this is not a high gear? the continues supply of weapons suggest they are running out of bomb. “70,000 tons of bombs over Gaza, surpassing the bombing of Dresden, Hamburg, and London combined during World War II.”

          The problem you are seeing is that, bomb are not enough to kill people, they have to go there on foot or use food to starve them and that is exactly what is happening now, with Democrat in office.

          There will be a point, and it won’t take long, where nobody who is honest with themselves will be able to claim that we can’t know if Kamala would be better or worse.

          Kamala made it clear she is doing nothing different and ( better or worse ) is not a statement here because there are no (better) when it come to genocide.

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      I don’t think Biden and Harris are the same person. I think she was cowardly but I also think she wants to be hip and loved and could have been shamed with sustained pressure. Not a sure thing, and likely to be weak sauce, but a possibility. I don’t see that as likely with either Biden or Trump. And the possibility of stopping something as big as genocide and permanent land grabs is much better than no chance at all.

      But I also don’t blame Arabs for voting (or not voting) emotionally for the actions of Biden and the inaction of Harris now. Don’t kill someone’s family and then ask them to think of the bigger picture.

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        One sure thing about that shitstain Trump is that he is bribable. He will pivot on a pinhead if it would enrich him more.

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          There is zero chance Palestinian supporters ever outbid Israel to corrupt Trump. Even the rich Arab autocrats don’t really care about the conflict if it would result in them being less rich. Israel loses Trump if and only if they insult him in some way.