I love the idea of it, and I love how tiny it is. Will probably get one when money isn’t so tight.

But I was curious if the power button was accessible without lifting it. And it genuinely isn’t. Why does Apple like shoving important IO and buttons underneath the device. Good thing it’s light?

Oh and a funny thing was the staff had to loosen its mount on the table so you could turn it on.

    • the16bitgamer@programming.devOP
      81·
      22 days ago

      Easily. It’s annoying, but if it bugs me that much I could just flip it upside down and put a rubber pad down so the top doesn’t get scuffed.

      • garretble@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1911·
        22 days ago

        How often do you turn off your computers?

        I feel like “buttongate” is one of the biggest non-issues the internet has gotten riled up with in a while.

          • garretble@lemmy.worldEnglish
            158·
            22 days ago

            Really?

            I mean, do what you will. No worries either way. But it does surprise me to hear lots of people turn their computers off all the time. I tend to just let them go to sleep and then wake them back up.

            • GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
              3·
              22 days ago

              How do you wake a Mac Mini? Is it enough to just press a keyboard button? If so, does the keyboard have to be wired, or does Bluetooth work?

              • SreudianFlip@sh.itjust.works
                9·
                22 days ago

                Move the mouse or touch the trackpad, or press any key on the keyboard and it wakes up quickly. BT OK.

                Many macs that I work on haven’t been shut down for months, usually just rebooted after system updates.

                Sleep on a mac mini is very low power: if you use the computer every day it’s less energy than booting up.

                • lud@lemm.ee
                  2·
                  21 days ago

                  if you use the computer every day it’s less energy than booting up.

                  Source?

            • shinratdr@lemmy.ca
              109·
              22 days ago

              Which is exactly why they made this change. The Mac mini is essentially a screenless laptop in a tiny case. You don’t fully shut down your laptop between uses, so why would you shut this down? It probably costs $2/year in idle power costs. There is no common reason to regularly shut it off other than habits and personal preference.

              Rather than Apple enforcing this through nag screens or other methods, they just make a simple design change to try and break this habit.

                • shinratdr@lemmy.ca
                  143·
                  22 days ago

                  Because instant wake results in a better user experience. Contrary to popular belief, people frequently make decisions that make their experience worse out of habit or based on misinformation, especially when it comes to technology.

              • folkrav@lemmy.ca
                51·
                22 days ago

                What is a “screenless laptop in a case” if not just a desktop computer…? And what is there to “enforce”, really?

                • shinratdr@lemmy.ca
                  102·
                  22 days ago

                  It refers to the low power consumption of the chip, conventional wisdom is to shut down old, large or power hungry desktop computers because they generated a lot of heat and consumed a lot of power while idle.

                  Whereas if you think of the Mini more as a laptop in terms of the heat it generates and the power it uses, then it makes more sense why they think you don’t need to shut it off.

                  The enforcement is breaking bad habits that make your experience worse. There is no reason to wait for the computer to boot every time you need it, but people still do it because old habits die hard. But if they just stopped, they would enjoy and use the product more.

                  • folkrav@lemmy.ca
                    53·
                    22 days ago

                    This is the “you’re holding it wrong” patronizing attitude all over again. I’m still extremely confused that it’s remotely controversial that tucking a power button at a place you can’t reach it on a piece of consumer electronics is stupid design. That you have to pull your computer from wherever it is to do something as basic as turn it on is stupid, no matter how you spin it.

              • michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org
                51·
                22 days ago

                costs $2/year in idle power costs

                Maybe even less. My Ryzen 5000 laptop runs for about a week in sleep mode. According to my calculations, this is about 3 kWh per year, which costs 0.4 euros in my country.

          • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
            12·
            21 days ago

            Why not use the menu? If you’re using the computer every day, you have a moment where you log out. Why not shut down in like, 2 commands/clicks?

              • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
                22·
                21 days ago

                Yes? Via keyboard activation?? These machines are not intended to be shut down regularly. They are slept.

                • aStonedSanta@lemm.ee
                  13·
                  20 days ago

                  No. You are an idiot. If you shut it down. It doesn’t not turn back on by keyboard activation. lol. You HAVE to press the power button.

                  • GBU_28@lemm.eeEnglish
                    11·
                    20 days ago

                    Right. What button is your finger on to turn it off? Then you turn it on, walk away, and it’s in sleep.

        • folkrav@lemmy.ca
          93·
          22 days ago

          That’s beside the point. Dumb design doesn’t stop being dumb, even if the consequences are minor. It wouldn’t deter me from buying one, but pointing out it’s fucking stupid shouldn’t be controversial…