And so it begins…

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    It’s just a joke 🤣… he’s got like 5 years of good cognitive abilities tops. Then after he’ll be like all the other old farts. Barely makes any sense and is just totally old and dilapidated. No way they’re gonna keep him in power then. He might just croak.

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    9 days ago

    Luckily, the process of repealing or changing an amendment likely won’t change anytime soon, even with a Republican trifecta at the federal level, as it requires overwhelming public support. As outlined in Article 5 of the Constitution, any such change requires at least two-thirds of the Senate and the House to agree on the modification, with that change then requiring ratification by a minimum of three-quarters of states in the nation.

    I wouldn’t be so confident. If the majority decides to ignore it, then a constitution suddenly holds very little weight. Remember how the Roman Empire was once a Republic, until someone decided it wasn’t anymore? Remember how 1930s Germany was a democracy, until someone decided that had to end?

    Trump might argue some weird logic regarding the 22nd and 12th amendment. Or he might just declare a state of national emergency because of a new migrant caravan or some such shit, and postpone elections indefinitely. If he tries anything of the sort, it will all come down to whose side the military is on.

    • TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.world
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      8 days ago

      Burn the senate building, arrest some democrat kid and say there is a deep state satanic conspiracy with the democrats to destroy the God Appointed Trump Presidency, throw fake news all over the place and call for another election and/or emergency bill that gives him unlimited power.

      What is that thing about story not repeating itself but rhyming?

    • tehn00bi@lemmy.world
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      9 days ago

      What happens if they declare all democrats are enemies of the state and remove them from office and put their people in?

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      8 days ago

      Can he just run as someone else’s VP and then the someone else abdicates or whatever? No messing with constitution required. Obviously requires a lot of trust though.

      • Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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        8 days ago

        No, the VP has to be eligible for the presidency. If for some reason they are not, then the presidency would roll to the speaker of the house.

    • tiita@lemmy.worldOP
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      9 days ago

      Not really… This time America voted for the felon to become a dictator

      And the felon will do whatever he can to make it happen.

      Last time it was still a misguided presidency.

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        9 days ago

        in the 10 minutes of the Rogan interview I could stomach he talked about how surreal it all was, how it was a joke, he didn’t want to be a politician, and he didn’t expect to win.

        He was expecting it this time and he knows what he can get away with.

        • Rhaedas@fedia.io
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          9 days ago

          It could be that simple. He didn’t realize the potential the first time around and so many things got in the way, including a disaster that tried to force a leadership role on him. This time enough was changed and built up to prevent the obstacles, and he not only can avoid justice for his past, but he can, in his own words, “do anything and they’ll let you.”

      • mkwt@lemmy.world
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        9 days ago

        This time America voted for the felon to become a dictator

        No, they just voted for the term that runs 2025-1-20 to 2029-1-20. The dictator thing might end up happening, but it’s not what was voted on.

        • TurnpikeRangers@lemmy.world
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          9 days ago

          Fuck that, he said multiple times that he’d be a dictator (on day one). He’s talked about terminating the Constitution. He tried to overthrow the 2020 election. He’s the only person who has ever argued that Presidents should have immunity, and then his hand-picked Supreme Court gave it to him. He said multiple times that this is the last time you’ll have to vote.

          There is no gray area. He wants to be a dictator and will do EVERYTHING to make it happen. And his fucking supporters want it, too. Don’t give them any leeway and don’t give him any leeway. Call his and their bullshit out every fucking chance you get.

          There is exactly one argument that fascists understand.

          • OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca
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            8 days ago

            People aren’t paying attention. This is the last legitimate election the US will have. They control all three branches of government. The words in the constitution are meaningless if no one is there to uphold them.

            We are experiencing history.

            Sept 9, 1776 - Jan 20th, 2025.

  • Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Remember, the Constitution is just a really old piece of paper if the people entrusted to enforce it choose to ignore it.

    There is a non-zero chance that Trump could move to suspend the Constitution entirely, backed by a complicit Cabinet, Congress, Supreme Court and several state governments. And at that point, we would literally have to hope and pray that the rank-and-file military is on the side of the people, which is far, far from guaranteed. Because if they’re not, you can claim your Constitutional rights all you want, but you’ll be doing it with the other prisoners inside of whatever re-education camp you’re assigned to.

    Heck, there’s a non-zero chance that the American voter just gives off a collective “meh” and just apathetically lets Trump seize total power. We just saw a few million people do just that.

  • jerakor@startrek.website
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    9 days ago

    He is 78, in awful health, and has no interest in a legacy or supporting a successor. He keeps everyone around him at odds and maintains enough infighting that no clear heir apparent could really show up.

    So like, he really only will hold power long enough to make everything terrible. So we got that goin for us.

  • GiddyGap@lemm.ee
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    8 days ago

    Let me get this right. So, you know exactly who this man is and what he stands for. Yet, you elect him anyway. You know he’s been “joking” about this before. Yet, you elect him anyway. He’s a convicted felon. Yet, you elect him anyway.

    I’ve lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans. You went into this with eyes wide open. You deserve what’s coming.

    • Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world
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      8 days ago

      I voted for Kamala, and got a handful of others to as well, don’t include me with the rest of them. I don’t deserve this.

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      7 days ago

      I’ve lost every smidgen of respect I had for Americans.

      Says the guy who is happy to damn tens of millions of people who didn’t vote for this (not to mention all the kids and such) right along with those who did.

      • TonyOstrich@lemmy.world
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        7 days ago

        Hey, I’m in the US, I voted against Trump, I’m likely going to suffer if he is able to accomplish a smidgen of what he has talked about, and I think we got what we deserved. I know a lot of innocent people are going to suffer, but this is a country of very selfish people. Even some of the most liberal people I have met in this country still have a very selfish mindset and reason for the liberal bent. As soon as they attain a position where they have an advantage they basically pull up the ladder. I’m personally tired of it.

        People are going to die, ecosystems are going to burn, countries may very well fall. My only hope is that things only get bad enough that the masses learn an important lesson that at least lasts for their generation and that recovery is possible in that time frame.

        It’s not that I don’t care. It’s not even that I don’t have the fight left in me. I just don’t see any kind of path to a better place without substantial harm occurring first. I will not be happy to be right. I want to be wrong.

    • leadore@lemmy.world
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      8 days ago

      You deserve what’s coming.

      You’re talking to the people who tried to stop him, so fuck off.

      • Tyfud@lemmy.world
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        8 days ago

        He’s talking broadly, to Americans. Which you and I are. And he’s right, we deserve this. As a country.

        As an individual, neither of us do, since we fought and voted against him. But that’s not what OP was saying. He wasn’t addressing you specifically, but our nation in the second person.

        • leadore@lemmy.world
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          8 days ago

          nope, it’s the usual European smug superiority complex I see all over Lemmy, as if they don’t have the same problems there (not to mention have had in the past). They can enjoy gloating until the same thing happens in their country, which won’t be long.

          • whoisearth@lemmy.ca
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            7 days ago

            Canadian here and continue to be marvelled by an Americans inability to crawl out of their own ass regardless of if they’re Democrat or Republican lol

          • Tyfud@lemmy.world
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            7 days ago

            You could be correct.

            However, Europe’s “right” is America’s “left”.

            The political situation might be semantically similar, but the political policymaking is a vastly different situation between the two.

            Europe, universally, believes in healthcare as a right, for example.

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              7 days ago

              It struck me reading your comment that there is literally nothing that all Americans believe in “universally” and that makes me super sad.

  • leadore@lemmy.world
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    8 days ago

    Wow, already in the first week. Expect to hear this joke periodically over the course of his term, each time getting slightly more seriously stated. By the third year, everyone will have heard it so much it’ll be accepted as a perfectly reasonable idea. And the media will help that along in how they report on it. This is the tried and true playbook and it will work, not only for this plan but for their other plans.

    Take for example the planned mass deportations. They’ll start out with finding some people who have committed crimes (or they claim have), deport them and no one will object to that, it’s already how it’s done. As they move on to those whose crimes are not very consequential, like traffic tickets or whatever, if libs say anything against it, they’ll pounce on it and amplify stories how the libs are overreacting and want criminals to be left free and have open borders. Harping on any criticism in cases that are technically justified is key to getting the public used to pooh-poohing any dissent as they start escalating and going after the law-abiding (other than being here illegally ofc) immigrants, families with mixed status members, DACA/Dreamers, parents of children born here and thus citizens and deporting the children with them, etc.

  • yeehaw@lemmy.ca
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    8 days ago

    Good thing he’s old AF and overweight. Maybe that will impact him even before this term is done…

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          7 days ago

          Remember that he went off the rails on Truth Social about the 25th amendment basically ranting about the chain of command when the president is incapacitated. It seemed like a weird one but I remember reading it and my first thought was “He found out his people are gonna throw him out with a dementia diagnosis.”

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          8 days ago

          I suspect (naively hope?) Vance would be less inclined to just hand over national security information to Putin, so … maybe two benefits?

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            7 days ago

            What about his behavior to date makes you think that? I feel like that sounds snarky but I don’t intend it that way.

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              For all his faults and evils, Vance is not a narcissist who pathologically seeks the approval of those he sees as high status, which is what has compelled Trump to try so hard to be buddies with dictators. Vance is more cunning than Trump and would need to have a profit motive beyond just an ego stroking before putting his position at risk (even if the risk is evidently slight, but his relatively low popularity / lack of cult following makes me think/hope he’d have a harder time getting away with stuff than Trump). I suspect most dictators don’t have much to offer Vance in the way of profit that he couldn’t just as easily secure for himself as president without the personal risks of selling out the country to foreign adversaries, and the most salacious scandal we’ve heard about him has to do with a couch rather than Epstein so the kompromat is probably minimal or nil.

              Don’t get me wrong, a President Vance would be awful in a lot of ways, and arguably worse than Trump in some ways. It’s just that I don’t imagine him as being quite as much of a national security risk. But, again, maybe it’s just naive hope. 🤷

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    7 days ago

    All it takes is one fair election to be won decisively by an autocrat. The democratic party handed it to this shit head. Worst yet, he doesn’t even have to rig the election system because the democrat party is fucking incapable of attracting voters and it doesn’t look like they are going to fix what is broken about the party.

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    8 days ago

    I don’t see him lasting his full term. Dude’s old, is incredibly unhealthy, and has enough power-mad people around him that the first sign of weakness will probably be enough for medical intervention and Vance becoming president. Becoming president AGAIN at his age is possibly the dumbest thing he can do for his health.

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      Sadly his Klan loving father lived to 93, and being POTUS is like having a dedicated one person ER following you around.

      Also, the office only ages you if you’re committed to performing the job, Trump uses the office to troll the people he can troll and, more urgently, personally profit for anyone that offers him or his businesses a bribe in exchange for a Presidential act. He doesn’t work even in business, he issues broad, pie in the sky dictates and encourages his own employees infighting about the details. He’s bragged about this.

      Trump was the first President in my lifetime to accelerate the aging of those he governed rather than himself. Like so many other things people seem to forget, he spent a lot of his first term golfing.

      Not that I’m complaining on that point, golf motherfucker! Do less!