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Red Bull - European but Far right
Buy European but … Also with ethical considerations.
Red Bull might sound cool, but they have their own TV station in Austria. (servus TV) And that station js beyond far right. Spreading disinformation, and Russian propaganda, Corona Bullshi, Ivermectint, cleaning stuff with chlorid, climate change deniers, … If there is a conspiracy they support it …
(And it’s also not very healthy,…)
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Did you just got here from reddit or what? Or is it some toung in cheek /s stuff too elaborate for me?
No, I’m not new. This account is new because you can’t use mod tools properly if your account is on a separate instance from the modded community (e.g. you don’t get reports, can’t sticky stuff, etc).
And you also might not actually see the whole discussion going on here since you are on lemmy.world due to defederation between lemmy.world and other instances and so. I’m just reminding everyone to keep it civil since this community has had heated discussions before and the discussion easily slips into nationalism, which is against our rules.
Are you a moderator? Of .world or maybe on your server? Just trying to figure it out here.
I try to buy european but i think it’s important to remind ourselves that we have shit companies in Europe that don’t deserve our business. Red Bull, Nestlé, Müllermilch all these mf can suck it.
I’d also throw Bayer into that list. Knowingly had HIV contaminated blood, considered the amount of money they’d lose by destroying it, so they supplied it to patients in Latin America and Asia. Bayer considered the investment they had in the contaminated product, decided NOT to destroy it, for profits sake, and infected thousands of people with it. They misrepresented the results to not lose money and killed thousands.
I know pharmaceutical companies is a giant mess, but Bayer is on par with Nestle for me.
Following this logic i’d end up buying nothing or absolute crap. Example: i really liked Kellogg’s corn flakes and i tried to switch to a local brand (Cerealitalia) but unfortunately it tastes bad. In the biggest supermarket of my town it’s Kellogg’s, Nestlè or Cerealitalia so it’s US, shitty company or shitty product. Same goes for Coca Cola: it’s Coca Cola, Pepsi or the coke with the same brand of the supermarket (tastes meh). I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.
i mean, personally if i had to pick between a shitty company and a shitty product, i’d just pick neither unlesa it was a necessity
I’m trying but it’s not easy at all.
I think that’s what it’s about. I am not perfect, your are not, nobody is. Time, money, availability of products and all that are constraints that sometimes just don’t allow for a “good” product. Like someone else here wrote: a marathon not a sprint. I try to be happy about good alternatives that i find and not worry to much where i can’t. After all a trip to the supermarket shouldn’t feel like shit.
What’s up with Müllermilch? I haven’t bought it in a while because it wasn’t very healthy anyway. But i didn’t know the company itself was bad
The CEO meets up with the AfD on the regular to discuss Nazi things.
I am permanently banned from making Reddit accounts because I got about 4 of them banned for “promoting violence”.
The violence? Telling people it was a good thing to punch Nazis. Reddit is a Nazi safe space.
I got a warning for upvoting pro-Canada stuff like “elbows up”. That is apparently promoting violence.
Yikes, Reddit is slowly killing itself. I remember years ago it was more the opposite - there were some seriously disturbing subs because they didn’t want any censorship. Now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction and it’s hard to say anything of substance without getting warned or banned
Well yeah, you’re promoting the same kind of violence that Ukraine continues to perpetrate on Russia.
Go fertilize a sunflower, Yuri :)
Remember when you could say things like “The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi”? Wasn’t even that long ago.
Seriously, fuck Nazis. All of a sudden you’ve got Nazis in government and we’re supposed to act like you should tolerate that shit. Hmmm.
Interestingly, the site wide rules about violence are only supposed to be credible calls to action. Like if someone was actually planning to murder people and coordinating it on the site.
Saying you’d like to punch someone, even if they aren’t a Nazi, isn’t against the rules as they are written. Either they don’t understand their own rules, they are lazy fuckers who don’t want to do their jobs the correct way and actually investigate shit to make sure it actually violates the rules, or they are Nazi pieces of shit.
Not one of these things makes using the site sound like a good idea.
A system is what it does. Action matters more than intent. Reddit bans anti Nazi rhetoric, therefore it is a pro Nazi website.
Don’t lie, it doesn’t.
My 5 banned accounts would say otherwise.
Well so much of free speach here. Ok, my account is too new here for posting a screenshot. But I was banned from @meme for saying that comminism is not great. So, what we have? In reddit farright as you say and in Lemm farleft?
I got banned, three times so far, for baiting and calling out ruzzian trolls. Apparently, telling them to go dig a fresh latrine pit for babushka, is inciting violence. Assholes.
Holy shit what is up with the reddit mods? I posted a screenshot of a Mastodon post there yesterday, that basically said if youre switching us big tech for eu big tech you’re not doing enough and that we have to support decentralized tech. Deleted in 5 minutes because it “posts should be relevant to european made products”
I mean i prefer a faceless capitalist conglomerate from Europe to one from the US but it sure doesn’t feel great.
But also be mindful of the fact that the more rules you add for people to be part of a movement, the less members the movement will have.
The “Buy European” protest is about sending a message of resistance against the current US regime, as well as reducing reliance on US products.
It doesn’t require you to only buy ethically spotless products.
That simply isn’t possible in our system.The post is not a “rule”. OP didn’t even ask people to stop using Red Bull. I’m glad to have more information.
If you really enjoy Red Bull, you’re an adult, make your choices. Personally, I can take it or leave it, so I’ll choose to leave it.
Wait really? I live in the US granted but I don’t want to support any company that does heinous shit like this.
It’s greatly exaggerated, on ServusTV they just have all kind of people, so sometimes stupid people are there too. They have this format „Rechts-Links-Mitte“ (right left center) where they typically have around five people with heavily varying positions discussing with each other. So no, it’s not them supporting conspiracies but rather trying to find people for these discussions. On the other hand it means that the others get the chance to debunk fake news and conspiracies in those discussions, potentially getting viewers to change their position. You don’t achieve that by making these people not watch any discussions because “their guy” isn’t there anyway.
Before our election I liked watching their news since the ORF (öffentlich rechtlicher Rundfunk - our official TV where all the important stuff is) only talked about what’s wrong with so many people to make them vote for the FPÖ (far right party) and how they could be made reasonable again (blame on the people for voting for that party) while Servus TV talked about why people are voting for them and what other parties potentially could change to gain them back (blame on the parties for making decisions that led to losing voters to the FPÖ) (to clarify, I didn’t vote for the FPÖ and never world, I’m heavily opposing quite a few of their policies - regardless I can’t deny that they wouldn’t be as strong if our other parties acted differently, many people simply are voting for the FPÖ to express their protest which is why its good to discuss about what the other parties should change).
ServusTV also has great documentaries (mostly about Austria and neighbouring countries, for example about a group of mountains (sometimes even singular mountains), or about hiking trails, mountainbiking routes, ski touring, climbing, about a river, a lake, a city, a castle, a church, …).
My favourite aspect is that Red Bull heavily invests in sports, sponsoring many people that wouldn’t be able to follow their (often niche) sport without them.
Absolutely not a company that deserves a boycott imo. (I don’t buy anything from them though because I usually only drink water.)
This sounds dangerous tbh. I do not really watch ServusTV, nor do I know much about Red Bull business practices but stuff like the “Rechts-Links-Mitte” format sounds like they’re giving right wing extremists a platform to spread their misinformation and rhetoric. It might sound like a good idea to have opinions from all different kinds of people but media companies should have a moral duty to educate viewers and not foster misinformation by acknowledging every single opinion. That’s why you should be careful with things like these.
Furthermore the wikipedia article does mention ServusTV spreading misinformation about the covid vaccines, citing DerStandard and Tagesschau articles from 2021.
So all in all it seems the political reports on ServusTV should be taken with some suspicion. That does not mean they can’t have nice documentaries or sport broadcasts though.
As for Red Bull, they can’t really let ServusTV spread misinformation without actually supporting it. Probably makes them more money in some way. Might be a good idea to try out a suitable alternative energy drink if there is one.
It’s a double edged sword, yes. But in times like these (internet) people can present their views regardless, so I’d say its nice when they’re doing it somewhere where well-articulated and science-backed views get presented too and they can be fact checked. That’s how you win back people before they’re too deep in the rabbit hole, on the internet they quickly just fall into an echo chamber, only getting recommended similar articles, videos, … to the ones that they’re already reading/watching.
For people like me in the other hand it’s interesting to see from which kind of people they got some of their world views and makes it easier to prepare arguments against them.
I’d simply say discussions are a good thing for a democracy, I really don’t like the mindset of simply letting people fall out of touch with any mainstream information (which is mainstream for a reason) once they reject it on one topic. That leads to polarisation, radicalisation and a rising amount of voters for the pro-Russian parties.
Trump also would never have won if the USA wasn’t so polarised.
I think people don’t realize Red Bull is not a beverage company, they’re a marketing company. Just like Google is an ad company
Anyway, the main message of this post is actually really important. Buying European is not what you have to aim for. We have to start making the switch to sustainable consumption. For softwares, plenty of open-source alternatives exist that are way better than European ones. The US do not have the monopoly on fascist capitalism
Luckily there are local alternatives that come from companies that haven’t at least been caught doing heinous shit (and are small enough that maybe they aren’t doing anything heinous), but I fucking hate that both Monster and Red Bull are out. Monster Aussie Lemonade is my favourite energy drink I’ve tasted in a long long time and red bull is just a reliable choice that tastes good cold and is available everywhere.
They’re likely not going to be available in Estonia, but does anyone wanna recommend anything European-made that’s pretty sour like Aussie Lemonade? I might do an European road trip later this year and would like to test different energy drinks. Yes I have an addiction. No, I don’t want help.
Bullshit they actively promoting anti corona, pro Putin and far right wing plebs for the last 10 years now! I live in Austria and it’s ridiculous you try defend them. Yes they were an awesome tv station back then )until 2017. But nowadays it’s just a hate tv!
They also support Israel’s apartheid and occupation, they are listed on the NoThanks app.
It’s also owned by the creator of the original Red Bull in Thailand, which is a different company, but it’s named after an extreme right wing paramilitary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Gaurs
Wtffffff
Kongstrong for the Win
It also tastes like shit and is prohibitively expensive compared to many energy drink brands
Devils advocate here.
A “Don’t buy Red Bull” post seems off topic for me on a “Buy European” sub.
If the mods only want to focus on one issue and not bring others and especially politics into the mix, I don’t find a issue with that.
Says a boycott doesn’t want to “bring politics into the mix” lol … buddy, boycotts are political by their very nature.
Buy European, isn’t necessarily a boycott.
I don’t drink Red bull but still would like a more thorough article or information about this
Servus TV is a TV station based in Wals-Siezenheim in the Austrian state of Salzburgand owned by Red Bull Media House GmbH, a subsidiary of Red Bull GmbH, which also publishes the magazine Servus in Stadt und Land. The station is the successor to Salzburg TV, founded in 1995 and rebranded in 2009. It is politically aligned with the far right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServusTV
C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.
Damn, “Servus in Stadt und Land” doesn’t even need a translation to realize how racist it is.
Maybe next time use a translator just in case before commenting mate. Servus is the name of the TV station, “in city and country” is very hard for me, impossible really, to find anything racist in it.
I grew up in “the city in the country.” Look up “Poway.” It’s a dog whistle. Temecula is doing the same thing.
“Motto: “The City in the Country” ; Location in San Diego County ; Poway, California is located in San Diego County, California.”
"The motto of Temecula, California is “Old Traditions, New Opportunities”
You guys need to catch up with what’s going on.
They’re doing the same exact thing. It’s “make the land I’m from, return to normalcy.”
C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.
No I don’t think I will.
It’s normal to expect from OP to provide source for their claim.
idk about r/buyFromEU but r/europe on reddit is pretty right-wing
I think the buy EU thing (and for that matter, all this trade war bullshit) is one of those things that claims to be apolitical but is inherently nationalistic and so massively popular with/supported by/in support of the authoritarian right.
One of those salt of saturn political things that lets people pretend they aren’t right-wing.
we shouldn’t dismiss the movement as a whole just because some rightwingers are a part of it, but our choices with regard to consumption should be more nuanced than America bad, Europe good.
The idea of buying something only because it’s made in a certain country is nationalistic on its own
