Not sure what the exact quote for “gas the jews!” is as they probably said it in German, but it’s very likley someone in the AfD said something that would translate to that on record.
Thanks, I would have looked differently at your comment if you had directly added that source.
it’s very likley
Then it is still not a quote.
In general, if somebody can proof something easily but does not, then I assume that it is wrong. If others think like me, you create the opposite message of what you want.
The AfD are not “literal Nazis” because they are not the NSDAP, which doesn’t exist anymore. But they are as close as you can get and a spiritual successor. But the proper term is neo-nazies. And yeah you shouldn’t make up quotes, when there are so many real ones you can pick from.
I am sorry to tell you but if I didn’t know better, this exchange would have made me question the critics of the AfD and start seeing the AfD as the choice of reason.
You say there are lies but you just offer a strawman argument in the form of a sack of potatoes. If you don’t back up these claims I usually conclude that they are wrong.
You don’t have to convince me that the AfD is ineligible. I am with you. But you can’t claim that the AfD makes up causes and you make up your own. That makes all your claims unbelievable.
Hi friend, I hope you are well. Remember this exchange? In the meantime, the German federal service for the protection of the constitution has found the AfD as a whole to be “assuredly right-wing extremist”, which is legalese for “they are literally neonazis and we have proof”.
You normalize fake quotes. Then the AfD can also make up quotes and claim that that represents foreigners.
You understand that it is bad when the AfD does it. Generalize that understanding. There can’t be exceptions for fighting the good fight. Everybody thinks they do.
I understand that it is bad when it misrepresents the actual state of things.
Let’s generalise. Is a painting bad? Is a description bad? Yes if it is used to mislead people. No if it portrays things accurately.
Holding yourself to the highest standards of correctness serves no one. The nazis - which we can now officially call nazis, by the way, it can no longer be seen as hyperbole - do not even use words according to their meaning, and they won’t be particularly interested in your view of that matter.
You can’t fight nazis with honourability, just like you can’t fight intolerance with tolerance. It’s a paradox.
How many people thought of themselves as better-behaved in 1935? Do you think they reconsidered their position in 1941? It doesn’t matter, the window of opportunity to prevent the nazis from irrevocably installing themselves has passed.
You can’t reason with fascism. They only understand violence. It’s terrible, yes. No one wants to use violence.
Then again, the German constitution has provisions for fighting nazis with all means necessary as a last resort, so maybe we can just make them fuck off? Or do we wait until the 21st century version of 1939 and quibble in the meantime?
“Sieg Heil” is definitly a real AfD quote, Marcel Grauf said that in a private chat that was evidence in a court case.
Not sure what the exact quote for “gas the jews!” is as they probably said it in German, but it’s very likley someone in the AfD said something that would translate to that on record.
Thanks, I would have looked differently at your comment if you had directly added that source.
Then it is still not a quote.
In general, if somebody can proof something easily but does not, then I assume that it is wrong. If others think like me, you create the opposite message of what you want.
Oh, I’m not the original commenter.
Sorry for not noticing.
No worries. I kind of agree with you both.
The AfD are not “literal Nazis” because they are not the NSDAP, which doesn’t exist anymore. But they are as close as you can get and a spiritual successor. But the proper term is neo-nazies. And yeah you shouldn’t make up quotes, when there are so many real ones you can pick from.
I hope that this exchange has convinced you that the AfD are nazis.
I am sorry to tell you but if I didn’t know better, this exchange would have made me question the critics of the AfD and start seeing the AfD as the choice of reason.
You say there are lies but you just offer a strawman argument in the form of a sack of potatoes. If you don’t back up these claims I usually conclude that they are wrong.
You don’t have to convince me that the AfD is ineligible. I am with you. But you can’t claim that the AfD makes up causes and you make up your own. That makes all your claims unbelievable.
Hi friend, I hope you are well. Remember this exchange? In the meantime, the German federal service for the protection of the constitution has found the AfD as a whole to be “assuredly right-wing extremist”, which is legalese for “they are literally neonazis and we have proof”.
That’s good but besides my point. My issue is that you make up conversations.
Making up things is bad because it may mislead people. My example was an accurate representation of that party. “Sieg heil” is even a direct quote.
Would you also object to me making up quotes about Mussolini or Stalin if these are to the best of our knowledge accurate depictions? Probably not.
Yes I would.
You normalize fake quotes. Then the AfD can also make up quotes and claim that that represents foreigners.
You understand that it is bad when the AfD does it. Generalize that understanding. There can’t be exceptions for fighting the good fight. Everybody thinks they do.
I understand that it is bad when it misrepresents the actual state of things.
Let’s generalise. Is a painting bad? Is a description bad? Yes if it is used to mislead people. No if it portrays things accurately.
Holding yourself to the highest standards of correctness serves no one. The nazis - which we can now officially call nazis, by the way, it can no longer be seen as hyperbole - do not even use words according to their meaning, and they won’t be particularly interested in your view of that matter.
You can’t fight nazis with honourability, just like you can’t fight intolerance with tolerance. It’s a paradox.
How many people thought of themselves as better-behaved in 1935? Do you think they reconsidered their position in 1941? It doesn’t matter, the window of opportunity to prevent the nazis from irrevocably installing themselves has passed.
You can’t reason with fascism. They only understand violence. It’s terrible, yes. No one wants to use violence.
Then again, the German constitution has provisions for fighting nazis with all means necessary as a last resort, so maybe we can just make them fuck off? Or do we wait until the 21st century version of 1939 and quibble in the meantime?
The choice is yours, as it is mine.