• eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      We need people telling at them, and we need people politely approaching them with the same policies.

      A game of good constituent/bad constituent, if you will.

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      People probably won’t need to yell at them if the Democrats actually are listening to and engaging with the voters.

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        If democrats think that auction paddles are gonna solve this, they still need to be yelled at.

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        Democrats do not listen to or engage with voters. The last time we told them to listen. their response was ‘I’m speaking.’

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          29 days ago

          Let go of that crap now. Heckling and interrupting a speech was NOT the right thing to do. Neither was staying home on election day just because Harris didn’t voice the exact right opinion on Gaza. We’re in an infinitely worse situation now.

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            27 days ago

            Anyone that doesn’t see genocide as a red line isn’t entitled to an opinion on politics. Especially if they claim ‘lesser evil’

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            It absolutely was the right thing to do. Legitimizing that asshole by respectfully listening while he barks out lies and bullshit and craps all over America is what’s unacceptable.

            Waggling fingers and sternly frowning and politely protesting well out of everyone’s way while not inconveniencing anyone will get us absolutely nowhere.

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              Anyone that doesn’t see genocide as a red line isn’t entitled to an opinion on politics. Especially if they claim ‘leser evil’

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                100%.

                I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”

                Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

                -Martin Luther King Jr

                Been thinking about this quote a lot lately.

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        If they engaged with their voters, we wouldn’t have any democratic representatives over age of 65. Anything past that is just posturing and self enrichment

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            If they engaged with their voters, we wouldn’t have any democratic representatives over age of 65.

            Bernie Sanders is not a democrat.

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                  Man you love telling others what they are saying, don’t you?

                  Your entire comment history is you editing the words of others. I wonder why that is……

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                    Hey, you wanted to disqualify Sanders from public service on the grounds that he is both old and a democrat.

                    He’s not a democrat. And he is neither posturing nor out of touch, largely as a result of not tying himself to a party with no credibility.

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          What’s with the ageism? I want Democratic representatives of any age, as long as they have the right policies and they are of sound mind. People over the age of 65 will be just fine with me, thanks.

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            You gotta draw the line somewhere. Retirement age seems like as good a place as any.

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              Why do you have to draw the line somewhere?

              I feel like a broken record here, but the huge uptick in ageism I see in relation to politics seems like it’s not going to, ahem, age well given the amount of things I keep seeing about slowing down/reversing aging…

              I mean, yeah, it sounds kind of silly until it doesn’t. I remember reading about/thinking about things like AI (even if it’s not AGI - things like LLMs are here and disrupting the shit out of things). Same with self-driving cars. And yeah, neither of these things are perfect, but they are having an effect on society - people I know mostly got very smug and dismissive about these notions just 20 years ago. They are rather quiet about them now. I think the same thing is true about aging. Even if the breakthroughs are extremely mild and stay that way for decades, maybe even forever, suppose average healthspan is increased even 5 years. That will make (upper) age limits look very myopic and dated.

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                It’s not about how long you live so much as getting stuck in your ways. Old people don’t learn new things and adapt the way young people do. Humans solidify the way they do things in their 20s, make some fine tuning in their 30s/40s, and then pretty much stick to those habits for the rest of their life. With the way technology is progressing we can’t have stagnant people leading an evolving society.

                There are exceptions to every rule but that doesn’t mean statistics aren’t valuable information to base decisions on. Do you want people stuck in the past making laws about the future?

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                So you’d be fine with a child holding the role? After all why draw a line. Age relates to capability on both ends.

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                  I hate that’d you’re downvoted and no response because this is the right take. We have age limits already but old people don’t want those to apply to them because … no reason they just want to continue holding power

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      Yeah, but Gaza! I think I’ll sit it out again to show them!

      /s cuz apparently even dems online don’t understand sarcasm