And the rest are not draft eligible I guess…
A story from personal experience: most of my friends from Ukraine wanted the war to end from the very beginning. There was one exception though - a real patriot who considered Zelensky a hero and the best president we’ve ever had, “Slava Ukraini”, “Russians are orcs”, you know the type.
What on Earth could make such a patriot change his mind? Just like me he doesn’t live in Ukraine, and about a year ago Zelensky started trying hard to forcefully return people from abroad to use as a cannon fodder (thankfully, he failed)… That made him change his opinion very fast :)And every war supporter out there is the same… The war is OK, as long as it’s not me who is forbidden to leave the country and gets kidnapped off a street to be used as a cannon fodder.
Funny how all the bravest Ukrainian patriots live in western countries now.
Don’t worry, there are some in Ukraine as well.
My favourite one is currently “Oleksander Leonenko”. He seems like a very patriotic guy from Odessa, self-identifies as a “language inspector”, his T-shirt print roughly translates to the following: “talk to me in UKRAINIAN, I live in Ukraine and I DON’T UNDERSTAND Russian”, etc.He is bravely defending Ukraine against the invasion of orcs right now!
Ah, wait no, sorry my bad, actually he was detained by conscription officers on 13th (his boyfriend used some extremely weird words when describing the situation - “police illegally kidnapped a person”… Sounds like Russian propaganda if you ask me, this literally never happens in Ukraine, why do Ukrainian sources even share this obvious misinformation…), and on 19th he started asking for donations attempting to raise 500k uah = 12k usd in order to “save his life”. Not sure what are those money for, but definitely not for a bribe.
There’s no such thing as peace talks in this war. Russia wants it all, any Ukrainian who live in Ukraine will be forced into assimilation and I doubt they all want that. Your friends are maybe spineless cowards I don’t know
There’s no such thing as peace talks in this war. Russia wants it all, any Ukrainian who live in Ukraine will be forced into assimilation and I doubt they all want that.
Why? What on Earth could be a reason for doubting people would prefer to live rather than die?? It’s literally written right here, in the article, from a western media outlet, that people don’t want to fight and avoid it AT ALL COST, people would rather die trying to escape the country to the freedom than die for Zelensky’s regime, and there are people on the frontlines just because Zelensky’s murderous regime is forcing people to be there, mostly by kidnapping (busifying) them… And you are still “doubting”…
Your friends are maybe spineless cowards I don’t know
Yeah yeah yeah, I’ve heard that before… “If you don’t want to fight for MY interests than YOU are a coward”. Doesn’t work on anyone with at least half a brain, sorry :)
most of my friends from Ukraine wanted the war to end from the very beginning.
Nobody in Ukraine wanted this war to happen at all, but Russia went ahead and invaded them anyway, so they didn’t have any real choice in the matter.
so they didn’t have any real choice in the matter.
Choice? Let’s talk about choice.
We don’t have any choice not because of Putin’s actions, but because of Zelensky’s.
It’s his regime that forbids people to leave the country.
It’s his regime that kidnaps people off the streets and send them to the meatgrinder every day.So what I’m gathering is, you rather would prefer to live under Russian rule?
Would I rather live under Russian rule than die? Yes of course.
And the majority of Ukrainians would prefer that as well. And despite what you’re (probably) going to say, this is not just my opinion, this is a fact - Zelensky has to prevent people from leaving the country, he has to kidnap people off the streets just so that there is some cannon fodder to prolong the war. People either hide at home, or run from recruitment officers. People would rather die trying to escape the country than die on a battlefield fighting for Zelensky’s regime. And even western medias are writing about it now, it’s not taboo anymore. Zelensky tries real hard to convince people that Putin will exterminate Ukrainians. And yet, it’s you (probably) who believes him, not the actual people who are supposedly about to be exterminated.
Seriously, just stop for a moment and think - if Russia is as evil as some try to portrait it - why is Zelensky having so much trouble with conscription? Why those stupid stupid Ukrainians don’t go and fight for their survival against Putin who is going to destroy them? Maybe, just maybe, it’s actually propaganda?
Okay, that’s fair, Ukrainians never faced any serious discrimination under Russian rule. Unfortunately, as an Estonian, I know people whose families were affected by the forced deportations. By the way, how do you feel about Crimean Tatars or the Holodomor? Are those just anti-Russian propaganda too?
Unfortunately, as an Estonian, I know people whose families were affected by the forced deportations.
Oh well, I never really said that Russia is good, it has done lots of bad things, including to the Baltic states.
It’s just that what Zelensky is doing to us is infinitely worse than what would probably be “under Russian rule”.
By the way, how do you feel about Crimean Tatars or the Holodomor? Are those just anti-Russian propaganda too?
Holodomor - my great grandmother lived through it, I have little reason to doubt it or think that it is anti-Russian propaganda, it was terrible.
Crimean Tatars - I’m not very familiar with this topic so I’m not sure what exactly you’re referring to (I guess it’s the deportations?), but I’m sure it was also indeed a bad thing.
It’s just that what Zelensky is doing to us is infinitely worse than what would probably be “under Russian rule”.
I guess that’s true, I’m not a fan of forced conscription and punishable desertion either. But if Russia wins, have you escaped forced conscription for good? Or will you be forced to fight in Putin’s next conquest?
For now, you have a chance to build your own country still. Yes there’s a lot of corruption and many, many other issues. Yes, the GDP per capita is pretty weak so Ukrainians are better off working abroad. But you still get a say in matters. Zelenskyy the comedian was elected because people were tired of the status quo. Has he fixed everything? Probably not, but he can still be replaced. In the modern day Russian empire you either vote for Putin or your vote doesn’t count.
Crimean Tatars - I’m not very familiar with this topic so I’m not sure what exactly you’re referring to (I guess it’s the deportations?), but I’m sure it was also indeed a bad thing.
Yes, I meant the deportations. Russia deported every single one of them because they saw them as a geopolitical threat in Crimea. Here in the Baltics at least it was mostly people with land or nasty back-stabbing neighbours that were deported, not specific ethnic groups generally.
Anyway, I’m glad to see you’re not a Russian shill, but an actual person with a real view to the entire issue. Obviously I support your right to not go to war against Russia. But I think just laying down arms isn’t a solution either. Of course, I have a vested interest of my own. The more your brothers and sisters weaken Russia, the safer I am too.
